The truth doesn’t always win

This post was written by Owen on September 26, 2009
Posted Under: Environment

‘The truth will out’. It’s a simple, very appealing notion – and it’s perhaps one of the most pernicious fallacies in contemporary political discourse. Wherever there are people with wrongheaded ideas, from members of the BNP to climate change deniers, you can bet that sooner or later there’ll be someone (or more likely quite a few people) who pops up to argue that the best way to respond to bad ideas is to engage with them through debate. After all, everyone should be allowed to have their views heard, and if someone’s in the wrong then that should be easy enough to demonstrate, right? You see this sort of reasoning all over the place. A good example is in the recently-released emails between then-Spectator editor Matthew d’Ancona and recent Third Estate interviewee George Monbiot. After Monbiot attacked the Spectator for printing a sympathetic interview with the author of a book which denied global warming was occurring, D’Ancona attempted to persuade Monbiot to take part in a debate about climate change with Ian Plimer, the book’s author. D’Ancona writes:

I accept that you see taking on Plimer as a bit like taking on flat earthers or devotees of the view that the moon is made of blue cheese. Why would you bother? The answer is that – like it or not – his ideas do appeal to some members of the public, and they need to be taken on if only to be flattened.

Now, the cynics among you might be inclined to suggest that the editor of the Spectator is unlikely to be entirely impartial on an issue like this, and you might well be right. But his argument does sound enticingly reasonable. The underlying assumption here is that to refuse to engage in debate (as Monbiot ultimately did) is a sign that there’s something deficient in one’s own argument; that if you’re telling the truth and your opponents aren’t then you’ll win the debate. But it isn’t as easy or simple as that. Being in the right is one thing; convincing others that you are is another. And while it’s certainly possible to convince people by reasoned, well-supported argument, we can also be won over by any number of other things: snappy soundbites, an aura of authority, humour or wit (particularly at an opponent’s expense)…and that’s leaving aside the distorting effect that our personal prejudices can have on how we treat different arguments.

Face-to-face debates such as the one d’Ancona was proposing are particularly problematic because of their immediacy. As Monbiot points out in the email exchange linked to above, it’s very easy to get away with factually dubious claims when there isn’t any means to show that they’re wrong. Face-to-face debate about empirical questions is worse than useless for this reason – without any means to back up disputants’ claims, the only possible way to be convinced by one side or the other is non-rationally. This is why Monbiot was right to refuse d’Ancona’s request to debate without Plimer providing the sources for his claims that Monbiot requested, and why Richard Dawkins, for all his faults, is correct to refuse to debate with creationists.

Even with non-empirical questions that are best settled through argument, face-to-face debates are often a pretty poor way to settle them. This is why, contra Liz Stephens on this very blog, putting Nick Griffin on Question Time isn’t going to allow the BNP’s policies to be ‘engaged with in a respectable environment so they can be compared to mainstream politicians – and completely annihilated’. It won’t happen because Question Time doesn’t favour the kind of quiet, well-reasoned discussion that would best show up the fundamental problems with the BNP’s policies – that doesn’t make for good television. The people who thrive on Question Time are sloganeering populists like Griffin, regardless of the actual substance of the views they express. The same is true of most face-to-face debates.

This is not about suppressing freedom of speech. Nick Griffin, Ian Plimer, and anyone else with whom I disagree should be free to say what they like, just as we should be free to call them on their errors or lies. But when someone makes assertions that are not just wrong but also harmful, it’s important to remember that engaging with them can increase that harm as well as mitigating it.

On a not-entirely-unrelated note, this looks like it might be an interesting read. I haven’t read it, but it seems to be getting decent reviews.

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Reader Comments

Sean

I think you’re right in your argument, but I’m not sure what your conclusion is, or whether you can support the conclusions you hint at. It’s absolutely true that the idea that the truth will always win is facile, and that Nick Griffin might perform relatively well on Question Time. But that in itself doesn’t mean the answers to either of the two main questions in all this are ‘no’. Those two questions are ‘Should the BNP be invited on to Question Time?’ and ‘Should representatives of the other parties (i.e Jack Straw) agree to appear with them?’

As to the former, it’s only tangentially related to your argument, since what the BBC should do isn’t about how best to defeat the BNP. It’s about whether they’re doing their job right. I think they are. They’re trying to be politically neutral, and as difficult as that is for the media to acheive, it’s still valuable.

The other question is mainly about political strategy. Claiming that some ideas are just so objectionable that people should make it a point of principle not to listen to or engage with them is a cop-out. Not engaging in a private debate on principle is just silly (but different from doing so because you find it unpleasant to, which is reasonable). Public, political debates are another matter because of the whole ‘oxygen of publicity’ deal, but I don’t think that works in this case – not because a debate with the BNP would be easily won and smash any support they have through the POWER OF THE TRUTH, but because not debating them wouldn’t improve matters. Refusing to debate them may reaffirm the idea that they’re forever condemned to the political fringes with people who already want nothing to do with them, but to the people who are drifting towards them, it simply looks like cowardice or arrogance (or both), and reinforces that drift. Engage in the debate, and you at least get the chance to pull them back towards the centre. It’s unfortunate that you don’t win political battles by being right – but you don’t win them by running away, either.

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Written By Sean on September 27th, 2009 @ 11:07 pm
Sean

I apologise for the lack of paragraph spacing there, apparently a blank line in the comment box doesn’t equate to a blank line in the comment?

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Written By Sean on September 27th, 2009 @ 11:08 pm
Owen

My conclusion was pretty much meant to be that it’s naive and, as you say, facile to believe that being right is sufficient to do well in a debate. Put like that, it does seem trivial, but there seem to be a huge number of people who have been trying to argue that getting Nick Griffin on Question Time is a fantastic idea because he’ll get shown up. Given that, (and variants on the same theme when it comes to climate change denial, creationism or pretty much any other conspiracy theory you care to name) it seemed worth saying. I’m not saying Griffin should have been banned from Question Time necessarily – just that we shouldn’t be so blithely optimistic about the prospect. I’m actually agnostic about both your supplementary questions. I wouldn’t have a problem in principle with non-fascist political parties or even the BBC having their own versions of No Platform – if the evidence suggested that was the best way to deal with the BNP. If confronting them in public debate looks like a better option, then by all means do that. (I realise that having a No Platform policy but remaining otherwise politically neutral could be tricky for the BBC, but probably not much more tricky than its current situation).

Perhaps more importantly, though, Jack Straw? What the hell are Labour thinking? Why couldn’t they have got someone decent, like Diane Abbott or Jon Cruddas?

#3 
Written By Owen on September 28th, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
Owen

Oh and yes, formatting in comments is rubbish. I think WordPress doesn’t expect commenters to be literate enough to manage paragraphs.

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Written By Owen on September 28th, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

I suspect Abbott and Cruddas would have refused. Jack Staw might have abandoned the committment to No Platform, but others, like Peter Hain and Alan Johnson still refuse to take part in any debate with Nick Griffin.

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Written By Salman Shaheen on September 28th, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

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