Comments on: Hoisted By Their Own Charade http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/ What Is The Third Estate? Everything. What Has It Been Until Now In The Political Order? Nothing. What Does It Want To Be? Something. Tue, 22 May 2012 14:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Alan http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-5225 Alan Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:50:44 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-5225 yea, probly a bit quick to judge on reflection. lots of good articles here actually, keep up the good work! yea, probly a bit quick to judge on reflection. lots of good articles here actually, keep up the good work!

]]> By: Salman Shaheen http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4985 Salman Shaheen Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:29:29 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4985 Even the Mail's taking a pop at Tab now! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223760/Cambridge-University-students-spark-controversy-The-Tab-tabloid-newspaper-complete-Page-Three.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo Even the Mail’s taking a pop at Tab now!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223760/Cambridge-University-students-spark-controversy-The-Tab-tabloid-newspaper-complete-Page-Three.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo

]]> By: Tendai http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4982 Tendai Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:57:51 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4982 Alan, in my opinion the writers of The Third Estate do a great job of dealing with real-world stuff, and that's to their credit considering how Cambridge can blinker you for years after you leave. The fact that it pops up every now and again though, does make me consider an unfortunate curse of the place: that it happens to be where one went to university, and nothing more, can cause people to take you less seriously than you deserve to be taken. Alan, in my opinion the writers of The Third Estate do a great job of dealing with real-world stuff, and that’s to their credit considering how Cambridge can blinker you for years after you leave. The fact that it pops up every now and again though, does make me consider an unfortunate curse of the place: that it happens to be where one went to university, and nothing more, can cause people to take you less seriously than you deserve to be taken.

]]> By: Salman Shaheen http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4979 Salman Shaheen Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:57:09 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4979 You're quite right Alan, but you could hardly accuse The Third Estate of being stuck in an Oxbridge bubble. I mean we hardly ever mention the other place for a start! And how many articles about Cambridge can you name? You’re quite right Alan, but you could hardly accuse The Third Estate of being stuck in an Oxbridge bubble. I mean we hardly ever mention the other place for a start! And how many articles about Cambridge can you name?

]]> By: alan http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4978 alan Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:42:46 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4978 If your trying to reach out from your oxbridge world... i dont think normal people could give a fuck about cambridge newspaper politics If your trying to reach out from your oxbridge world… i dont think normal people could give a fuck about cambridge newspaper politics

]]> By: Tendai http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4962 Tendai Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:15:58 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4962 Schumpeter seems not to add anything, to be sure. But I think Jacob's criticism does suppose a particular notion of what sort of life people ought to lead, which is unfair. Schumpeter seems not to add anything, to be sure. But I think Jacob’s criticism does suppose a particular notion of what sort of life people ought to lead, which is unfair.

]]> By: Dan http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4961 Dan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:08:28 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4961 Yeah, I agree with all of that, but read 'Jacob is a Fool's comment again. I find it hard to see how either reference contributes to making his argument clearer whatsoever. Yeah, I agree with all of that, but read ‘Jacob is a Fool’s comment again. I find it hard to see how either reference contributes to making his argument clearer whatsoever.

]]> By: Tendai http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4959 Tendai Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:34:23 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4959 Gee Dan, I don't know...As a rule, I guess it's true what one philosopher said, something along the lines of "reason clever, but express yourself modestly". But I think it's natural that people may bring these notions into argument if they have had a strong influence on their reasoning on a particular issue: in some cases there's just no other word to fully convey the phenomenon you think is relevant in that context (as with technical economic, philosophic [by which I mainly mean logic-related stuff, rather than just quoting the canon because it sounds nice], or legal jargon). In some cases it's probably the difference between a mere opinion and serious reasoning. That said, I do find it unnecessary the way that terms like 'dialectic' and 'weltanschauung' are used as a sort of "I just pwned the debate -- AND I've read Hegel" tactic. Such words probably don't do much to add to the issue at hand. Gee Dan, I don’t know…As a rule, I guess it’s true what one philosopher said, something along the lines of “reason clever, but express yourself modestly”. But I think it’s natural that people may bring these notions into argument if they have had a strong influence on their reasoning on a particular issue: in some cases there’s just no other word to fully convey the phenomenon you think is relevant in that context (as with technical economic, philosophic [by which I mainly mean logic-related stuff, rather than just quoting the canon because it sounds nice], or legal jargon). In some cases it’s probably the difference between a mere opinion and serious reasoning. That said, I do find it unnecessary the way that terms like ‘dialectic’ and ‘weltanschauung’ are used as a sort of “I just pwned the debate — AND I’ve read Hegel” tactic. Such words probably don’t do much to add to the issue at hand.

]]> By: Dan http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4956 Dan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:17 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4956 There's nothing wrong with either of those things, but when they're ludicrously tossed into an argument that has nothing to do with them it doesn't do anyone any favours. Where they're used here they're basically jargon heavy non-sequitors. It reeks of showing off, and sheds no light on anything. There’s nothing wrong with either of those things, but when they’re ludicrously tossed into an argument that has nothing to do with them it doesn’t do anyone any favours. Where they’re used here they’re basically jargon heavy non-sequitors. It reeks of showing off, and sheds no light on anything.

]]> By: Salman Shaheen http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/hoisted-by-their-own-charade/comment-page-1/#comment-4952 Salman Shaheen Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:06:55 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2653#comment-4952 I was excited by the reference to Schumpeter, it made me feel like a first year politics student again. But, thinking about it, I do have to say, I've never actually heard Schumpeter used in the real world before! I was excited by the reference to Schumpeter, it made me feel like a first year politics student again. But, thinking about it, I do have to say, I’ve never actually heard Schumpeter used in the real world before!

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