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		<title>By: Name Deleted</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-34456</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the person referred to in the post as &quot;name deleted&quot;... Good article, shame I didn&#039;t see it at the time. What a horrid group of people, make me ashamed to be part of the same race. Argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the person referred to in the post as &#8220;name deleted&#8221;&#8230; Good article, shame I didn&#8217;t see it at the time. What a horrid group of people, make me ashamed to be part of the same race. Argh.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some hope, maybe your SU can make links with some of these groups mentioned:

The March on the New Feminists http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-march-of-the-new-feminists-1830514.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some hope, maybe your SU can make links with some of these groups mentioned:</p>
<p>The March on the New Feminists <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-march-of-the-new-feminists-1830514.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-march-of-the-new-feminists-1830514.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5772</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is far wider than what happens on blogs but it is as though derogatory comments about women are now the expected norm.

This has been fostered by the media and that fact that lad culture is now aspirational - and in fact rewarded think Russell Brand and Jonathon Ross.

Not forgetting of course the way in which women are depicted and written about in pop culture.

And sadest of all is the fact that young women have now been so conditioned by this onslaught on public degrading of women that they accept and sometimes participate in it.

It seems so strange that of all the liberation movements of the 70s eg Gay Liberation and Black Liberation, that it is only Women&#039;s Liberation that has become the object of public ridicule.

An example of how far the backlash against feminism has gone is that a response to a CiF (Guardian) article was a man saying that feminists are the same as the BNP and white men are the equivilant to members of BME communities suffering racism??!!

So part of me isn&#039;t surprised that young people bought up in a culture permeated with acceptance of laddish culture should think that putting on a Playboy Mansion event is somehow acceptable.

Grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is far wider than what happens on blogs but it is as though derogatory comments about women are now the expected norm.</p>
<p>This has been fostered by the media and that fact that lad culture is now aspirational &#8211; and in fact rewarded think Russell Brand and Jonathon Ross.</p>
<p>Not forgetting of course the way in which women are depicted and written about in pop culture.</p>
<p>And sadest of all is the fact that young women have now been so conditioned by this onslaught on public degrading of women that they accept and sometimes participate in it.</p>
<p>It seems so strange that of all the liberation movements of the 70s eg Gay Liberation and Black Liberation, that it is only Women&#8217;s Liberation that has become the object of public ridicule.</p>
<p>An example of how far the backlash against feminism has gone is that a response to a CiF (Guardian) article was a man saying that feminists are the same as the BNP and white men are the equivilant to members of BME communities suffering racism??!!</p>
<p>So part of me isn&#8217;t surprised that young people bought up in a culture permeated with acceptance of laddish culture should think that putting on a Playboy Mansion event is somehow acceptable.</p>
<p>Grace</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5749</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people want to send emails of complaint you can do so to president[at]essex.ac.uk or vpservices[at]essex.ac.uk. I should stress that the majority of the executive is against it now too. If you can CC or BCC campaigns[at]essex.ac.uk then it keeps those of us opposing it informed.
It&#039;s Essex University, as you probably guessed from the emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people want to send emails of complaint you can do so to president[at]essex.ac.uk or vpservices[at]essex.ac.uk. I should stress that the majority of the executive is against it now too. If you can CC or BCC campaigns[at]essex.ac.uk then it keeps those of us opposing it informed.<br />
It&#8217;s Essex University, as you probably guessed from the emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Howorth</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5743</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Howorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan, deeply disturbed by this but not overly surprisedm come across this sort of thing all the time in one guise or another. Saw this posted on ukfeministaction.org, by Grace. I&#039;m sure, like me, lots of women would love to make a huge noise about this. What do you think is the best way of going about this? Would you be comfortable with telling us the name of the university - we can then bombard them with emails directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan, deeply disturbed by this but not overly surprisedm come across this sort of thing all the time in one guise or another. Saw this posted on ukfeministaction.org, by Grace. I&#8217;m sure, like me, lots of women would love to make a huge noise about this. What do you think is the best way of going about this? Would you be comfortable with telling us the name of the university &#8211; we can then bombard them with emails directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5741</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope this works:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=name&amp;id=36911866#/group.php?gid=334723665073

If it doesn&#039;t I can forward the message to her.  We had a deeply frustrating Union Council meeting yesterday, where the Welfare and Sports and Societies Officers defended the night, and even suggested the comments above were provoked and shouldn&#039;t be taken seriously.

I&#039;ll delete the add above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope this works:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=name&#038;id=36911866#/group.php?gid=334723665073" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=name&#038;id=36911866#/group.php?gid=334723665073</a></p>
<p>If it doesn&#8217;t I can forward the message to her.  We had a deeply frustrating Union Council meeting yesterday, where the Welfare and Sports and Societies Officers defended the night, and even suggested the comments above were provoked and shouldn&#8217;t be taken seriously.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll delete the add above.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5725</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have the link for the facebook group so that I can post a message of support to the Women&#039;s Officer?

Or the Groups Administrator referred to in the article.

Thanks

Grace

(PS the previous post to mind seems from the web link to be a commercial ad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have the link for the facebook group so that I can post a message of support to the Women&#8217;s Officer?</p>
<p>Or the Groups Administrator referred to in the article.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Grace</p>
<p>(PS the previous post to mind seems from the web link to be a commercial ad.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cruella</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator>Cruella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, as a feminist blogger, I can tell you that the blog in question has probably got away lightly with abusive comments.  We feminist bloggers lie through this on a daily basis.  There is clearly something about the anonymity of the web that brings out the woman-hater in a certain type of reader.

Sometimes it is merely amusing - like the number of people who responded to an article I wrote criticising Jeremy Clarkson to tell me I was wasting my time - and thus wasting their own time in the process.

Other times it is rather more sinister.  I did have a series of anonymous threatening phone calls which included rape threats (although thanks to the can&#039;t-be-bothered attitude of the police we still don&#039;t know whether they were related to my website or not).

But then in a way it&#039;s good that we find out what people really think.  Hopefully in the long run it will lead to a wider acceptance that there IS a big gender problem in this country which needs radical action to tackle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, as a feminist blogger, I can tell you that the blog in question has probably got away lightly with abusive comments.  We feminist bloggers lie through this on a daily basis.  There is clearly something about the anonymity of the web that brings out the woman-hater in a certain type of reader.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is merely amusing &#8211; like the number of people who responded to an article I wrote criticising Jeremy Clarkson to tell me I was wasting my time &#8211; and thus wasting their own time in the process.</p>
<p>Other times it is rather more sinister.  I did have a series of anonymous threatening phone calls which included rape threats (although thanks to the can&#8217;t-be-bothered attitude of the police we still don&#8217;t know whether they were related to my website or not).</p>
<p>But then in a way it&#8217;s good that we find out what people really think.  Hopefully in the long run it will lead to a wider acceptance that there IS a big gender problem in this country which needs radical action to tackle it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5699</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well she wasn&#039;t even there, didn&#039;t even bother to read the motion, and yet still sent a speech in abstention. Interestingly, this failed motion was my last involvement with student politics. Didn&#039;t even get a thank you from CUSU after doing lots of work for a couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well she wasn&#8217;t even there, didn&#8217;t even bother to read the motion, and yet still sent a speech in abstention. Interestingly, this failed motion was my last involvement with student politics. Didn&#8217;t even get a thank you from CUSU after doing lots of work for a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/when-open-misogyny-apparently-passes-for-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-5697</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly I don&#039;t remember this Jacob. Did she really abstain? Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly I don&#8217;t remember this Jacob. Did she really abstain? Sad.</p>
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