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		<title>By: lea</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/the-deep-racism-of-avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-37245</link>
		<dc:creator>lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 09:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, because I’m black and I didn’t think there was anything racists. The people are BLUE! I think some people are bored and have nothing better to do, if you’re looking for something negative you will find it! So what they didn’t have any black people, so what the white guy saves the BLUE people, if it’s racist because there were no black people is boyz in the hood racists because it has no white people? It was science fiction movie, I’m not a big fan of the movie but it was a pretty cool movie, some people just need a hobby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, because I’m black and I didn’t think there was anything racists. The people are BLUE! I think some people are bored and have nothing better to do, if you’re looking for something negative you will find it! So what they didn’t have any black people, so what the white guy saves the BLUE people, if it’s racist because there were no black people is boyz in the hood racists because it has no white people? It was science fiction movie, I’m not a big fan of the movie but it was a pretty cool movie, some people just need a hobby!</p>
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		<title>By: Martinem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Frazier or Malinowski very well, but isn&#039;t it true that on the one hand the enlighted and therefore alienated colonialists partly have lost their sense of one-ness with nature, and on the other, that the animist savages uses less of their capability of reasoning, science and research, and perhaps don&#039;t comprehend the full bases for their structures, at least not in the analyst/reductionist way. For me the film is about this conflict: The main character is a white male, which I readily identify with, who comes in through the back-door, without going through the academic alienating process, and gets a chance to reunite with nature. It&#039;s beautifully described and I myself find myself longing to throw away all my knowledge and go out running in the forest to find my own Pocahontas who can teach me to live in coherence with nature and in the moment.

The question that arises in me is this: What would it cost me? If I were to jump between leaves or ride the dragons, would I have to give up reasoning? Would I have to give up planning for the future or remembering of the past? Would I have to give up thinking of myself as a free agent, forming my future and making moral decisions? Would I have to enter the world of the psychotic, believing that every seed is a spirit and every stone is watching me? Would I have to give up self-consciousness? How deep can I plunge into the animist world without losing myself? And is there a way back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Frazier or Malinowski very well, but isn&#8217;t it true that on the one hand the enlighted and therefore alienated colonialists partly have lost their sense of one-ness with nature, and on the other, that the animist savages uses less of their capability of reasoning, science and research, and perhaps don&#8217;t comprehend the full bases for their structures, at least not in the analyst/reductionist way. For me the film is about this conflict: The main character is a white male, which I readily identify with, who comes in through the back-door, without going through the academic alienating process, and gets a chance to reunite with nature. It&#8217;s beautifully described and I myself find myself longing to throw away all my knowledge and go out running in the forest to find my own Pocahontas who can teach me to live in coherence with nature and in the moment.</p>
<p>The question that arises in me is this: What would it cost me? If I were to jump between leaves or ride the dragons, would I have to give up reasoning? Would I have to give up planning for the future or remembering of the past? Would I have to give up thinking of myself as a free agent, forming my future and making moral decisions? Would I have to enter the world of the psychotic, believing that every seed is a spirit and every stone is watching me? Would I have to give up self-consciousness? How deep can I plunge into the animist world without losing myself? And is there a way back?</p>
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		<title>By: Žižek, &#8220;See you in hell or in communism!&#8221; &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Žižek, &#8220;See you in hell or in communism!&#8221; &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can argue over the meaning of &#8216;2012&#8242;, much like people argued over the meaning of Avatar. Yet we do so within the universe of the things actually [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can argue over the meaning of &#8216;2012&#8242;, much like people argued over the meaning of Avatar. Yet we do so within the universe of the things actually [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SOCIALIST UNITY &#187; AVATAR AGAINST IMPERIALISM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SOCIALIST UNITY &#187; AVATAR AGAINST IMPERIALISM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See also Louis Proyect for more on this controversy, and for a view endorsing the critique that Avatar is racist see Third Estate, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See also Louis Proyect for more on this controversy, and for a view endorsing the critique that Avatar is racist see Third Estate, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your contention that the film is racist because a white American comes to save their society is no more than a subjective opinion. It cannot serve as proof of racism.</description>
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		<title>By: Greg S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I thought the movie racist for a totally different reason than anyone has mentioned yet: all of the scientists, company officials, and ex-military mercenaries are White, with but a singular exception, and I&#039;m not even sure about that one exception. When the villain runs outdoors to shoot at the helicopter  with his carbine and, when it runs out of ammo, his pistol, I vaguely remember a Black security man running after him to hand him his breathing mask. If I am remembering this correctly, this was the only Black man in the entire firm. If I am remembering this incorrectly, then there were no Blacks at all. It is as though all of these self-righteous White Hollywood millionaires who have benefitted from both the just as well as the unjust parts of our economy so much more than 95% of the rest of the population are telling White America that corporate plunder, colonialism, and racial hatred are all our fault. In the recent past, this may even have been a fair alegorical critique of the way society works. But no more. I can guarantee that it isn&#039;t the nasty White man who amputates the feet of the slaves who mine the blood diamonds that the Hollywood glitterati purchase by the kilo rather than the karat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I thought the movie racist for a totally different reason than anyone has mentioned yet: all of the scientists, company officials, and ex-military mercenaries are White, with but a singular exception, and I&#8217;m not even sure about that one exception. When the villain runs outdoors to shoot at the helicopter  with his carbine and, when it runs out of ammo, his pistol, I vaguely remember a Black security man running after him to hand him his breathing mask. If I am remembering this correctly, this was the only Black man in the entire firm. If I am remembering this incorrectly, then there were no Blacks at all. It is as though all of these self-righteous White Hollywood millionaires who have benefitted from both the just as well as the unjust parts of our economy so much more than 95% of the rest of the population are telling White America that corporate plunder, colonialism, and racial hatred are all our fault. In the recent past, this may even have been a fair alegorical critique of the way society works. But no more. I can guarantee that it isn&#8217;t the nasty White man who amputates the feet of the slaves who mine the blood diamonds that the Hollywood glitterati purchase by the kilo rather than the karat.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just read the article and think you are thinking way too deeply. It is a fantasy sci fi movie made to entertain in order to make money, yes there is good v evil but not based around real races or colours unless blue v the rest is racist. Black actor may play the parts of the Navi but surely this was done to aid the special effects so that the navi had similar physical resemblances but they could have been all asian or chinese the colour is not the issue. I cannot imagine for one second any actor in the film truly bleives racism was implied and it was just an old fashioned make believe fantasy to be enjoyed by the young and old, the white, black, or even blue memebers of the human race</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just read the article and think you are thinking way too deeply. It is a fantasy sci fi movie made to entertain in order to make money, yes there is good v evil but not based around real races or colours unless blue v the rest is racist. Black actor may play the parts of the Navi but surely this was done to aid the special effects so that the navi had similar physical resemblances but they could have been all asian or chinese the colour is not the issue. I cannot imagine for one second any actor in the film truly bleives racism was implied and it was just an old fashioned make believe fantasy to be enjoyed by the young and old, the white, black, or even blue memebers of the human race</p>
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		<title>By: Owain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are thinking waaaaaayyy too hard about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are thinking waaaaaayyy too hard about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with this post. A long explanation of why I disagree follows.

You said: 
&#039;There is no real interest in the quality of their society, they are simply portrayed by the scientists in the film and by the film itself as backward. How could any thought be more tied up with the colonial project?&#039;

The film cannot be read as colonialist. It is anti-colonialist. The main character in Avatar is not depicted as the archetypal great white hope that you imply. His physical disability makes the character more complex, and the ideology of the film more interesting. 

It is true that the main character plays a central role in leading the Navi to victory against the human colonialists. However, he himself is only able to find personal redemption by living as they do. The actions of his former life, as part of the human war machine, have left him crippled. The scene near the end, where his Navi girlfriend lifts him out of the thought transferal machine where he lies dying, underlines the overall message that the Navi have restored his life. 

Earlier, when he addresses the new leader of the tribal society as &#039;brother,&#039; asking for his help in defeating the human colonialist forces, this is not an empty phrase, but a statement of the truth of their mutual dependence.

Secondly, you said:

&#039;There is no thought that technology, forever stated as instrumental domination, could be transformed to serve the many rather than the few.&#039;

I read the film&#039;s primary ideological statement as being that technology should be made to serve human nature rather than supplanting it. That is, that tecnology has the capcity to enhance life and to alienate an individual from their own nature. 

The single-minded pursuit of capital through technology is depicted as a something that divorces humanity from its own nature - witnessed in the inhumane slaughter of the Navi at their tree. One marine rejects this, refusing to take part in the slaughter. She uses her X-Wing or whatever it is to fight the other marines - adapting the same own technology to what she sees as a more humane cause.

Thought transfer technology enables the scientists / anthropologists to live alongside the Navi and the world of Pandora. The gas mask is used to save the main character&#039;s life. Through these technologies, the main character is able to reconnect with his own nature. 

This is not the same as a &#039;fetishisation of the natural,&#039; to use your phrase, but a manifesto for the use of technology in support, or even in the pursuit of the natural, in the sense of human nature. 

It is the use of technology for the pursuit of capital that is criticised -as ultimately self-alienating - not technology itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with this post. A long explanation of why I disagree follows.</p>
<p>You said:<br />
&#8216;There is no real interest in the quality of their society, they are simply portrayed by the scientists in the film and by the film itself as backward. How could any thought be more tied up with the colonial project?&#8217;</p>
<p>The film cannot be read as colonialist. It is anti-colonialist. The main character in Avatar is not depicted as the archetypal great white hope that you imply. His physical disability makes the character more complex, and the ideology of the film more interesting. </p>
<p>It is true that the main character plays a central role in leading the Navi to victory against the human colonialists. However, he himself is only able to find personal redemption by living as they do. The actions of his former life, as part of the human war machine, have left him crippled. The scene near the end, where his Navi girlfriend lifts him out of the thought transferal machine where he lies dying, underlines the overall message that the Navi have restored his life. </p>
<p>Earlier, when he addresses the new leader of the tribal society as &#8216;brother,&#8217; asking for his help in defeating the human colonialist forces, this is not an empty phrase, but a statement of the truth of their mutual dependence.</p>
<p>Secondly, you said:</p>
<p>&#8216;There is no thought that technology, forever stated as instrumental domination, could be transformed to serve the many rather than the few.&#8217;</p>
<p>I read the film&#8217;s primary ideological statement as being that technology should be made to serve human nature rather than supplanting it. That is, that tecnology has the capcity to enhance life and to alienate an individual from their own nature. </p>
<p>The single-minded pursuit of capital through technology is depicted as a something that divorces humanity from its own nature &#8211; witnessed in the inhumane slaughter of the Navi at their tree. One marine rejects this, refusing to take part in the slaughter. She uses her X-Wing or whatever it is to fight the other marines &#8211; adapting the same own technology to what she sees as a more humane cause.</p>
<p>Thought transfer technology enables the scientists / anthropologists to live alongside the Navi and the world of Pandora. The gas mask is used to save the main character&#8217;s life. Through these technologies, the main character is able to reconnect with his own nature. </p>
<p>This is not the same as a &#8216;fetishisation of the natural,&#8217; to use your phrase, but a manifesto for the use of technology in support, or even in the pursuit of the natural, in the sense of human nature. </p>
<p>It is the use of technology for the pursuit of capital that is criticised -as ultimately self-alienating &#8211; not technology itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really fantastic article</description>
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