Comments on: Meanwhile, the government mandates and demands sexual discrimination http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/ What Is The Third Estate? Everything. What Has It Been Until Now In The Political Order? Nothing. What Does It Want To Be? Something. Tue, 22 May 2012 14:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Reuben http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-7564 Reuben Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:07:25 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3559#comment-7564 Alex, thank you for your comment. I see your point about the difference between prescribe and allow. When I said that the govenment mandates and demands sexual discrimination, I didn't mean that the case workers are feces tonsiscriminate but rather employers . Decisions by case workers carry the full force of the law. If a case worker decides that somebody is unsuitable because they are into bdsm, an employer who decides that's a load of bullocks and employs then anyway thy could go to jail. As regards the connection you posit, you to admit it does seem like a rather weak and vague connection - ie bdsm sex is unequal, teacher student relationships are unequal therefore people who are into the former might be into the latter. On a purely empirical level I would imagine that tens of thousands of teachers are probably into some kind of bdsm yet only a handful of teachers actually abuse kids. Can such a disjointed implication about what somebody might do really justify ruining the life of a person who has committed no crime? Alex, thank you for your comment. I see your point about the difference between prescribe and allow. When I said that the govenment mandates and demands sexual discrimination, I didn’t mean that the case workers are feces tonsiscriminate but rather employers . Decisions by case workers carry the full force of the law. If a case worker decides that somebody is unsuitable because they are into bdsm, an employer who decides that’s a load of bullocks and employs then anyway thy could go to jail. As regards the connection you posit, you to admit it does seem like a rather weak and vague connection – ie bdsm sex is unequal, teacher student relationships are unequal therefore people who are into the former might be into the latter. On a purely empirical level I would imagine that tens of thousands of teachers are probably into some kind of bdsm yet only a handful of teachers actually abuse kids. Can such a disjointed implication about what somebody might do really justify ruining the life of a person who has committed no crime?

]]> By: Alex http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-7562 Alex Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:44:26 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3559#comment-7562 Slightly playing devil's advocate here, but: BDSM is a sexual fascination in relationships that are unequal, where one person has control over another, or where authority is used for sexual purposes. There is clear relevance here to the situations regulated by the ISA. There is nothing at all illegal (or, arguably, immoral) about "naughty schoolgirl/boy" porn, but if a person obsessively collected such porn we'd have reasonable suspicions about their motivations for becoming a teacher! In any case, the guidance merely _allows_ caseworkers to make judgements on these grounds, it does not prescribe them to do so. Whilst the difference between prescribing discrimination and allowing discrimination may seem petty, it should be recognised. Slightly playing devil’s advocate here, but:

BDSM is a sexual fascination in relationships that are unequal, where one person has control over another, or where authority is used for sexual purposes. There is clear relevance here to the situations regulated by the ISA.

There is nothing at all illegal (or, arguably, immoral) about “naughty schoolgirl/boy” porn, but if a person obsessively collected such porn we’d have reasonable suspicions about their motivations for becoming a teacher!

In any case, the guidance merely _allows_ caseworkers to make judgements on these grounds, it does not prescribe them to do so. Whilst the difference between prescribing discrimination and allowing discrimination may seem petty, it should be recognised.

]]> By: David http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-7252 David Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:42:10 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3559#comment-7252 We have created a link to this article. Our website, AllPoliticalOpinions.com, strives to be a valuable resource for learning about - and expressing your opinions on - all the issues of the day. We invite all political writers to visit us, and perhaps set up a profile, and post more links to articles such as this. We have created a link to this article.
Our website, AllPoliticalOpinions.com, strives to be a valuable resource for learning about – and expressing your opinions on – all the issues of the day. We invite all political writers to visit us, and perhaps set up a profile, and post more links to articles such as this.

]]> By: Reuben http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-7240 Reuben Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:03:14 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3559#comment-7240 LOL time for word games again. I thought somebody might say that. But even if I was to concede the point could you please explain how it is significant? Could you actually offer me a cogent argument as to why it is more reasonable to discriminate against some forms of private consensual sexual activity than others. LOL time for word games again. I thought somebody might say that. But even if I was to concede the point could you please explain how it is significant? Could you actually offer me a cogent argument as to why it is more reasonable to discriminate against some forms of private consensual sexual activity than others.

]]> By: p http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/meanwhile-the-government-mandates-and-demands-sexual-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-7239 p Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:58:41 +0000 http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3559#comment-7239 Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, whereas bdsm is not. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, whereas bdsm is not.

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