Remark by Diane Abbott Leads to Wave of Suffering across White Britain

This post was written by Reuben on January 5, 2012
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Today white people were left struggling to cope with the consequences of a racially charged outburst from politician Diane Abbott. The Labour MP took to twitter, earlier today, to allege that “white people like to divide and rule”.

Already, there are reports that police officers have been pouring into “white” areas, where they have been stopping, searching and harrassing white youth, on suspicion that they are “conspiring to divide and rule”. Officers are said to be arresting any white males who are caught in possession of Machiavelli’s The Prince.

There are also fears that Abbott’s comments will create yet more hurdles for young people who are already struggling to find work. “Now I dread going to job interviews” said Emily, a young white woman from reading. “I know that whatever abilities I demonstrate, the interviewer will always be wondering whether, if they give me the job, I will end up dividing the accounts department simply so that I can rule over it.”

Police, meanwhile, have defended their decision to shoot an unarmed white man in South East London. “My officers reacted quickly and they reacted well”, the borough commanded said. “They knew that in a matter of seconds, this young man would set them against each other, in order that he could manouver himself into a position of stewardship over them”. “It’s unfortunate, but immediate action was their only option”, he added.

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#1 
Written By Jim Jepps on January 5th, 2012 @ 8:39 pm
Reuben

Thank you jim! I love you too.

#2 
Written By Reuben on January 5th, 2012 @ 8:41 pm

In addition to that important information:

One of the things that got me about this was that she did not tweet “White people love playing ‘divide & rule’ We should not play their game” which is what most of the media reported but “@bimadew ’White people love playing ‘divide & rule’ We should not play their game #tacticasoldascolonialism”.

I think removing the fact that this was clearly part of an ongoing conversation (on a site that only allows 140 characters per tweet) and that she clearly references colonialism removes something extremely important from what she was saying.

The other thing is that the Tory MPs who complained have no record of fighting racism – but are derailing a discussion on racism after one of the most important race murder trials that I can remember. On a day when headlines should have been focusing on the police, racism in society and inequality they made a blatant attempt to turn this into some silly twitter spat about who offended who in a tweet.

#3 
Written By Jim Jepps on January 5th, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

It doesn’t “clearly” reference colonialism, nor was it part of a discussion about racism; it was a stupid, unnecessary comment made during a side-waffle over the semantics of how the “black community” should be referred to in the media, and it was technically racist. If you want something annoying, how’s about a clown-hat politician trying to make a complicated (if ultimately irrelevant and pointlessly contentious) point on a forum that only allows 140 characters per post, and being unable to fit it all in, instead decided that “European colonialism” and “white people” were interchangeable.

It was a stupid thing to say, it was foolish to try and say it on Twitter, it was a racist comment, and it was possibly the worst time to have such a lapse in intelligence after, as you put it, “one of the most important race murder trials that I can remember”; so let’s stop being coy about calling it like it is, have our little whine about being “victimised”, then realise it’s not massively important and go on with our lives.

#4 
Written By Senatorpob on January 6th, 2012 @ 12:40 am
David

I don’t get the point. Do you think this is an acceptable thing for an MP to publish on twitter?

I know it sounds like a Daily Mail-ish argument but I’m confident there would be “outrage” had the racism been directed from a white MP also.

What’s the difference where this can be satirised, effectively dismissing this as a trivial thing

#5 
Written By David on January 6th, 2012 @ 8:54 am

SENATORPOB you say “It doesn’t “clearly” reference colonialism”. This is a very odd thing to say seeing as the tweet contained the word colonialism. Sadly the BBC and others took that word out when reporting it so you can be forgiven for not knowing that. However, when someone uses thee word colonialism in a tweet I think it’s pretty safe to say they referenced it – and rather clearly.

David. Is it acceptable for an MP to have a conversation with a constituent on twitter about racism? Yes. Is it acceptable for the media to take one part of one tweet from that conversation and create a silly storm out of it? No.

You can relax. She wasn’t saying what you think she was saying.

#6 
Written By Jim Jepps on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:15 am
David

Jim, thanks for the reply.

Firstly I didnt ask “Is it acceptable for an MP to have a conversation with a constituent on twitter about racism?”

I asked if it was acceptable for this tweet (which i consider racist) to be published, also you seem to imply a conversation, this wasn’t it was published on the internet.

Whether or not she was referencing colonialism is irrelevant, firstly she used the present tense, to indicate this was still happenimg.

And even if the present tense was a mistake, she still implied that every single white person used this tactic in colonial times.

Do you agree with her then that “divide and rule” is something all white people?

Then, the most shocking is that she lied and tried to weasel her way out of it, and when forced made a half hearted apology that politicians seem to excel at.

I also did not like the reference to “them” and “us”. To me the whole tweet just felt wrong and unsavoury.

I really don’t think MPs who are this ignorant to the things they say should be ion this position, but thats for the voters to decide.

Peace.

#7 
Written By David on January 6th, 2012 @ 12:54 pm
John Reid

Who was this white man the police shot who was Unarmed Harry stanley?, did the police ever really defend shooting unarmed people it’s upto the IPCC to decide if the police shooting someone is defensive or not. there’s also no such thing as white areas or black areas, and large police presence’s in areas is their job

Emily a young white woman-“I know that whatever abilities I demonstrate, the interviewer will always be wondering whether, if they give me the job, I will end up dividing the accounts department simply so that I can rule over it.”- This actually can happen under Harriet harmans positive descrimintaion bill.

rather a sily article

#8 
Written By John Reid on January 6th, 2012 @ 1:02 pm
WhiteHonkyTrash

Dear Reuben. I, along with all the other white honkies, have decided to remain stoical in the face of the devastating realisation that persons of blackness can carry off an opinion that we might be able to carry off ourselves, e.g. in the pub or other public place where grey-looking honkies tend to gather, looking around before uttering the opinion to see that there aren’t any black folks around to hear, especially ones who look angry. Well done, Diane, for showing us lily-white folks that you are unashamedly a middle-class bigot (and therefore don’t need to look around warily before saying something racist). Middle-class bigotry in all its forms is an attitude to which we pasty honkies often aspire. And furthermore, bigotry is a right proper British way of life, and no mistake, guv’nor! Good on you, Ms Abbott, or as you might say, “Ree-speck” in your tongue.

#9 
Written By WhiteHonkyTrash on January 6th, 2012 @ 1:16 pm
John reid

I know when Abbott said in 1987ll white people are racist it was took out of context, Plus her firendship with Micheal Portillo proves she didn’t mean it literally, but Like david lammy years later i felt that she beleived that white wokring class people on council estates were, This maybe unfortunatley due to her parents suffering racism,I was talking to a Ethnic minority cop the other day(who joined the police on the day of teh Mcpherson report)- (who’s not in the black police assoc. or the Masons)and he said although the polcie is alot less prejudice Now, there’s More snobbery on calss now than ever, People like cresiddadick may have made it to the top, but if you didn’t go to university you’ve got less chance of promotion now than ever,

#10 
Written By John reid on January 6th, 2012 @ 4:31 pm
SenatorPob

JIM – It doesn’t contain the word “colonialism”. It has a hash tag which contains the word “colonialism”; the hash tag, in full and with spaces, reads “tactic as old as colonialism”. Inferring that divide and rule is still practised today. The rest of the post tells us that “white people” practise divide and rule, so taking the whole thing in full and admitting the hash tag, Diane Abbott is now on Twitter saying white people like to play divide and rule, and have done since the days of colonialism.

Which suddenly makes the whole thing far more insidious than it was before. So yeah, point taken; it did reference colonialism.

What Diane Abbott said was racist. It was an unfounded generalisation based upon skin colour; that’s racist, in the same way it would be if I were to say “black people can’t govern themselves”. If I later clarified this statement by saying I was referring to the statistically insignificant number of black people who, in the past as today, have turned their nations into kleptocracies and inflicted horrendous suffering on their people it wouldn’t matter; my original statement would still be racist, because when you’re determining if something is racist or not intent is irrelevant.

Where intent BECOMES relevant is in trying to decide how the person who has made a racist statement should be punished. So we ask ourselves, does Diane Abbott’s faux pas fit a pattern of behaviour indicative of certain beliefs about white people? Evidence says no – because this is the first time, to my knowledge, she has ever said anything racist. Moreover, it is perfectly plausible that her woefully poor and thoughtless choice of words was just that, a woefully poor and thoughtless choice of words, given the situation in which she made the statement. From all this we can conclude that, while she may have said a racist thing this one time, Diane Abbott is not some kind of black supremacist, does not need to resign her position, but perhaps should be admonished to choose her words more carefully in future.

Also she wasn’t having a conversation about racism, please go and read the full thing on Twitter; she was talking at crossed purposes with a freelance journo, the journo being dissatisfied with lazy use of terms like “black community” and worried about the inefficacy and irrelevance of “community leaders” whilst Diane Abbott was admonishing her to be wary of playing into divide and rule tactics and telling her that ethnic minorities who show more public solidarity than blacks “do better”, whatever that means in this context.

You know how the veins pop out of your neck when you read nationalist and fascist posts on an issue and it’s blindingly obvious they’re coming at it with a second-hand knowledge of the issue being discussed? Yeah, it’s just as annoying when the Good Guys do it.

#11 
Written By SenatorPob on January 6th, 2012 @ 4:52 pm
Marcos

Brilliant deconstruction of the Abbott debacle and why racism does not ‘cut both ways’ (clue: racism and personal prejudice are NOT the same thing)

#12 
Written By Marcos on January 6th, 2012 @ 7:17 pm
Marcos

Sorry, won’t let me post links. Google: “Diane Abbott’s tweet and the red herring of anti-white racism”

#13 
Written By Marcos on January 6th, 2012 @ 7:19 pm
George Harris

Oh, well that’s settled then. Racial generalisations about white people are completely acceptable & harmless, even when made by representative authorities. Thanks for clarifying Reuben.

To think that comment is defensible is hilarious. That Dianne Abbot would give credence to the notion that skin colour should predetermine someone’s personality and – worst – be a justification for hateful prejudice is, in my opinion, disgraceful.

Dianne Abbots is David Starkey and the author of this abysmal article is the slobbering racist Nick Griffin clapping insanely to himself.

#14 
Written By George Harris on January 6th, 2012 @ 7:22 pm
JamesHargreaves

Can anyone tell me if it’s now alright to use words like “nig-nog”, “darky” and “coon” again now that white people are definitely the victims of racism by the President of The Black Community (UK Branch), Diane Abbott? I was just wondering where we are with these racial epithets. I am happy to trade a “white devil bastard/whore” or similar for a “nignog” anyday – wondered how The Black Community felt about this, you know, as a monolithic entity with a single view on all things?

#15 
Written By JamesHargreaves on January 7th, 2012 @ 4:22 am
John reid

george Harris last comment brilliant

#16 
Written By John reid on January 7th, 2012 @ 4:38 am
SenatorPob

MARCOS – “clue: racism and personal prejudice are NOT the same thing”

They are if your personal prejudice is based on someone’s skin colour or ethnic origin.

This isn’t a matter of either of those things. It was a fucking brain fart. A moment of thoughtlessness that led an otherwise respectable politician to make a single racist remark. Now we have wine-sipping Communist dick-sucks in the Guardian writing articles decrying honky displeasure at being thought of as evil divide-and-rulers, in order to countermand the attempts of brandy-guzzling Imperialist fuckwits in the Daily Mail to characterise this mildly perturbatory Tweet as evidence of The Caliphate’s impending arrival.

I used to wonder why a supervillain might want to provoke a gamma ray burst that would extinguish all life on earth. Then shit like this happens and I realise it’s because people are stupid. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to commandeer Trident.

#17 
Written By SenatorPob on January 7th, 2012 @ 11:30 am
Christina O'Reilly

Anyone who says you can’t be prejudiced against white people is living in cloudcukooland. Irish people were slaves first in the west indies before African people, but it’s very handy to forget that. The notices in London and elsewhere in the 50s – no blacks, no dogs, no Irish, no gypsies – yeah, that’s not racist. Dianne Abbott said she wanted to be an MP because she didn’t want to be like her mother, ‘another black woman with six kids’ great, what a respectful comment to make about your mother, Dianne.

#18 
Written By Christina O'Reilly on January 7th, 2012 @ 12:09 pm
Marcos

CHRISTINA: This isn’t about prejudice, it is about the laughable idea that Diane’s comment will in any way act to the detriment of whites. The reason this isn’t equivalent to a politician saying blacks are more prone to crime for instance, is that blacks are already disproportionately targeted by police, and that would provide more ideological cover to reinforce this racism (i.e. persecution on the basis of one’s race)

Individuals can be racist but far more damaging is institutional and structural racism, and that most certainly does NOT cut both ways.

PS: You make a fair point about the Irish but bear in mind that ‘white’ as a political category has changed over time, and the Irish (as well as the Jews) have been excluded from the ‘privileges’ of whiteness for most of history.

#19 
Written By Marcos on January 7th, 2012 @ 3:30 pm
Joh P reid

MARCOS- blacks are already disproportionately targeted by police- only by stop and search, when the police have sting operations to catch speeding cars, they’re in rural areas so they’re miore like to produce White speeding drivers, this is only one example of targetting, catching peado gangs on the Net or human smuggling for prostittuion or custom and excise from goods from Europe ,when the police target these people they’re more than likely to be white, Yes if A White M.P said that black people commited more crime it would be raicst – but just becasue of the 6 thing s the police can stop and search someone for One of which is going equipped to steal through street robbery ,so police stop and search in Working calss areas more back kids for knives or nicked purses, it doens’t mena that the police polcy is racist,
Regarding istitutions -Are harringey council, The commsion for racial equality or the Black cacaus in laobur balck institutions,

#20 
Written By Joh P reid on January 7th, 2012 @ 3:49 pm
JAMESHARGREAVES

This is a hilarious satire on the situation, similar to your own Reuben: http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3136-labour-mp-diane-abbott-disciplined-by-plantation-owner.html

#21 
Written By JAMESHARGREAVES on January 9th, 2012 @ 3:03 am
test

Quite right, two wrongs clearly make a right then.

#22 
Written By test on January 9th, 2012 @ 6:02 pm
Trofim

Any reason why Diane Abbott shouldn’t be racist? In a free country we should be free to hold whatever opinions we wish and to proclaim them. I defend her right to be racism unto death. Can you tell her, please.

#23 
Written By Trofim on January 12th, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

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