<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>The Third Estate &#187; Iraq</title>
	<atom:link href="http://thethirdestate.net/category/iraq/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://thethirdestate.net</link>
	<description>What Is The Third Estate? Everything. What Has It Been Until Now In The Political Order? Nothing. What Does It Want To Be? Something.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:36:58 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>RIP Brian Haw</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/rip-brian-haw/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/rip-brian-haw/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Afghanistan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Protest]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Brian Haw]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Obituary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Peace]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=6971</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The government couldn&#8217;t move him. In the end only cancer could. A symbol of peace and freedom, an icon of the anti-war movement and a picture of stalwart self-sacrifice for the cause of right. Regardless of what anyone on the left thought of his tactics, I don&#8217;t think anyone could argue that he gave anything [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/rip-brian-haw/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2011%252F06%252Frip-brian-haw%252F%22%2C%20%22shorturl%22%3A%20%22http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fl4ncJr%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22RIP%20Brian%20Haw%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><img class="alignleft" title="Brian Haw" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Brian_Haw.jpg/250px-Brian_Haw.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="134" />The government couldn&#8217;t move him. In the end only cancer could. A symbol of peace and freedom, an icon of the anti-war movement and a picture of stalwart self-sacrifice for the cause of right.</p>
<p>Regardless of what anyone on the left thought of his tactics, I don&#8217;t think anyone could argue that he gave anything less than all of himself to ideals so many of us share. For all of us who struggle to find time to give a Saturday afternoon to protest, Brian Haw, who spent ten years camped outside the seat of power of a bankrupt ex-empire still bent on playing policeman to the world showing them the visceral evidence in bloody still-frames of all they were doing wrong, should stand as an inspiration.</p>
<p>While the evangelical Christian beliefs of some turned them into neo-conservative warmongers, Haw&#8217;s told him to stand up for peace and human life.</p>
<p>He fought a good fight, he finished his course, he kept the faith.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/05/may-day-greetings-2/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">May Day Greetings</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/03/brian-true-may-is-not-racist-midsomer-murders-promotes-positive-image-of-ethnic-minorities/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Brian True-May is not Racist, Midsomer Murders Promotes a Positive Image of Ethnic Minorities</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/07/that-old-lie/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">That Old Lie</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/tatchell-gets-it-right-on-free-speech/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Tatchell gets it right on free speech</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/11/paternoster-square-is-not-tahrir-square-but-occupylsxs-goals-are-clear/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Paternoster Square is not Tahrir Square, but OccupyLSX&#8217;s Goals are Clear</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/rip-brian-haw/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>2</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Is involvement in Libya setting a precedent? Lets stop setting them.</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/is-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/is-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Max Joseph</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Democracy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[US Politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Barzani]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[KDP]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Kurdish]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Libya]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mubarak]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[PUK]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Syria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Talabani]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/is-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[With recent news of the U.S. deploying predator drones in Libya to “degrade Gaddafi’s forces”, and Europe’s involvement teetering on the brink of all out invasion, we have to think carefully about what kind of message this sends out to the various protest movements which are on-going in the region. This is important not only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/is-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2011%252F04%252Fis-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them%252F%22%2C%20%22shorturl%22%3A%20%22http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fh1husf%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Is%20involvement%20in%20Libya%20setting%20a%20precedent%3F%20Lets%20stop%20setting%20them.%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p>With recent news of the <a href="http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Clinton-Libyan-Forces-May-Have-Used-Cluster-Bombs--120375484.html">U.S. deploying predator drones in Libya</a> to “degrade Gaddafi’s forces”, and Europe’s involvement teetering on the brink of all out invasion, we have to think carefully about what kind of message this sends out to the various protest movements which are on-going in the region. This is important not only because there is a certain arbitrary factor attached to Europe’s involvement specifically in Libya considering the widespread violence enveloping most of the region, but the self-interested attitude which Western states are projecting yet again to the people of these countries in turmoil.</p>
<p>Much care has been taken by Western governments to sidestep this potential accusation with their obvious hesitation to deploy any meaningful force – ground, air or naval – to properly and quickly depose Gaddafi. However, whatever involvement Britain plays will be under the microscope. A war of attrition, akin to the economic warfare exemplified by the “Oil for Food” sanctions imposed on Iraq in the 90’s, looks likely. Yet, overt action in Libya with inaction everywhere else will again smear British foreign policy. Precedents may be irrelevant in the dark, cloak and dagger corridors of Westminster, but the public, here and elsewhere, will always remember and vote/act accordingly. We are still keen to lead on a global stage, but where do we find this authority? Simply put, emanating from the mouths of our political establishment and ultimately for economic reasons.</p>
<p>The ruling Ba’ath party in Syria routinely suppresses any dissidence in the country with military force. <a href="http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?l=2&amp;articleid=79763">Assad and his Ba’ath party have the support of the current Iraqi regime too</a> in what represents a worrying hypocrisy. Despite this foreign policy, the Iraqi state has banned the remnants of its own Ba’ath party from public office and outlawed any Ba’ath sympathisers from assuming public service positions. The awful situation in Baghdad’s politics extends to the Kurdish north of the country. Billed as the freest, most stable, democratic and prosperous part of Iraq, <a href="http://www.redpepper.org.uk/uprising-in-iraqi-kurdistan/">there have nevertheless been daily protests since February</a>, at first modestly calling for better services and democratic freedoms, but are now demanding the resignation of President of the Kurdish region, Massoud Barzani, and the President of Iraq, Jalal Talabani – the two dynastic rulers who head the two fractious ruling Kurdish parties; the KDP and the PUK respectively.</p>
<p>This is important because Britain has forged strong ties with the leadership of the Kurdish region. As relationships like this are fostered between our political elites, it becomes incredibly difficult to approach the inevitable outrage of oppressed populations with any thoughtful and principled response to their concerns. It has become something of a last resort to abandon our tyrannical puppets, and this is shameful for all of us because its often too late.</p>
<p>Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice once said in a speech in Cairo in 2005:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region, here in the Middle East, and we achieved neither,&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;Throughout the Middle East the fear of free choices can no longer justify the denial of liberty,&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;It is time to abandon the excuses that are made to avoid the hard work of democracy.&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This policy has most definitely not been abandoned. In fact, it has become popularised. The ousting of Mubarak was a prolonged and embarrassing sham for the U.S. and the U.K. It is only when the will of the people was demonstrated in impressive and immovable fashion, our governments <em>conceded</em> to inevitable democratic reform. Its almost as if they sighed afterwards at the inconvenience. The Egyptian army, the biggest recipient of U.S. aid ($1.5bn a year) is still very much in charge to preserve <em>stability</em> in the region. The Kurdish leadership is praised to preserve <em>stability</em> and contribute to the “Iraqi experiment” as a success, <a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/04/21/iraq-widening-crackdown-protests">despite growing evidence of the opposite</a>. And of course, Saudi involvement in Bahrain’s protests is largely ignored for political and economic reasons. </p>
<p><font></font>It is one thing to put the new (old) Libyan flag as an avatar on Facebook and Twitter to show your support, but spare a thought for all the movements in the region. In fact, spare more than a thought. They are certainly not helped by the succession of unprincipled and snivelling leadership figures we have now in this country and other Western states who depend on autocracies to preserve favourable and convenient trade and political arrangements. A democracy which is reliant on autocratic rulers and despots is a crumbling democracy. This is an emerging truth in our globalised economy and political landscape. Irresponsibility here means peoples lives. The civil war in Libya would be fought regardless of what we think or believe as British citizens, and any action or inaction by Britain will result in our embarrassment. Lets at least stop laying the foundations for these future crises by properly and seriously addressing our involvement and relationships elsewhere.<font></font></p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/05/was-obamas-middle-east-speech-historic-more-like-historically-deceptive-and-tedious/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Was Obama&rsquo;s Middle East speech historic? More like historically deceptive and tedious.</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/03/me-me-me-japan-libya-and-moral-narcissism/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Me, me, me: Japan, Libya and moral narcissism</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/turkish-socialists-and-kurds-combine-the-upcoming-election-in-turkey/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Turkish Socialists and Kurds Combine: The upcoming election in Turkey</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/07/us-to-arm-middle-east-allies-if-iran-builds-nuclear-weapons/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">US to arm Middle East allies if Iran builds nuclear weapons</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/03/labour-are-quite-right-to-stand-up-to-liam-donaldson-on-booze-lib-dems-prove-rather-illiberal/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Labour are quite right to stand up to Liam Donaldson on Booze. Lib Dems prove rather illiberal.</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/is-involvement-in-libya-setting-a-precedent-lets-stop-setting-them/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Iraq and Afghanistan</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/iraq-and-afghanistan/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/iraq-and-afghanistan/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Afghanistan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[war]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=4783</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s an excellent piece by Andy Newman on Socialist Unity about why Afghanistan could prove to be a bigger defeat for America than Vietnam. The key point is his identification of Iraq and Afghanistan as being part of the same conflict. It&#8217;s easy to forget about Iraq with the media&#8217;s eye so focussed on Afghanistan. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/iraq-and-afghanistan/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2010%252F07%252Firaq-and-afghanistan%252F%22%2C%20%22shorturl%22%3A%20%22http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F9zqjm8%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Iraq%20and%20Afghanistan%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p>There&#8217;s an excellent piece by Andy Newman on <a href="http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=6392">Socialist Unity</a> about why Afghanistan could prove to be a bigger defeat for America than Vietnam.</p>
<p>The key point is his identification of Iraq and Afghanistan as being part of the same conflict. It&#8217;s easy to forget about Iraq with the media&#8217;s eye so focussed on Afghanistan. Remember five years ago when Afghanistan was barely mentioned and violence in Iraq was in the news every day? Now the focus has shifted, it&#8217;s not hard to buy into the idea that Iraq has been an eventual success (if you can call over a million civillians dead a success) and Afghanistan is a failure. But part of the reason Afghanistan is failing now is because of the Iraq war. Any successes in the latter have to be weighed against the failings in the former.</p>
<p>No one should cheer the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan. But these failures are a necessary lesson for America. The Afghan insurgents may not be about to topple their second superpower. But they may have given the US pause for thought about its role in the world. And America has long been due a good period of reflection.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/08/suicide-is-painless/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Suicide is Painless</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/07/that-old-lie/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">That Old Lie</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/afghanistan-obamas-spectacular-double-speak/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Afghanistan: Obama&#8217;s spectacular Double Speak</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/anti-war-soldier-joe-glenton-jailed/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Anti-War Soldier Joe Glenton Jailed</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/09/a-thousand-splendid-sunnys/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">A Thousand Splendid Sunnys</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/iraq-and-afghanistan/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Confirmation blindness</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/confirmation-blindness/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/confirmation-blindness/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Economy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[confirmation blindness]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cuts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[evidence]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=4709</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Confirmation bias – the tendency for people to be more receptive to evidence that favours their pre-existing beliefs – is a well-known problem in evidence-based argument. But I think there’s a converse difficulty which is far less discussed. Call it ‘confirmation blindness’ – the tendency not to pay attention to evidence that confirms our deeply-held [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/confirmation-blindness/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2010%252F07%252Fconfirmation-blindness%252F%22%2C%20%22shorturl%22%3A%20%22http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fb6eN7c%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Confirmation%20blindness%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias">Confirmation bias</a> – the tendency for people to be more receptive to evidence that favours their pre-existing beliefs – is a well-known problem in evidence-based argument. But I think there’s a converse difficulty which is far less discussed. Call it ‘confirmation blindness’ – the tendency not to pay attention to evidence that confirms our deeply-held beliefs because we feel like we knew it anyway and don’t need more evidence to convince us.</p>
<p>That might sound counter-intuitive, but think about a couple of examples. Yesterday the former head of MI5 <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/20/chilcot-mi5-boss-iraq-war?intcmp=239">told</a> the Chilcot Inquiry that she thinks the invasion of Iraq was unjustified and served only to exacerbate hostility to the US and UK. As far as I can see the left blogosphere hasn’t made much of this, presumably because for most of us the views expressed by Eliza Manningham-Buller are nothing more than a statement of the bleeding obvious. Or, perhaps more worryingly, consider how little attention the truly awesome Richard Murphy’s <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/sites/neweconomics.org/files/The_Great_Tax_Parachute.pdf">Great Tax Parachute</a> report has received, in which he sets out how much extra money the government could bring in just by properly enforcing and tightening up our tax laws, and making them a bit more redistributive, in effect making Osborne’s eye-watering cuts redundant. Opposition to the cuts agenda is pretty much a given on the left, but Murphy is the only person I’m aware of who’s set out a detailed alternative.</p>
<p>I know political blogs have a tendency to be echo chambers, but assuming that we want to try and win the debates about the direction of public policy in the world at large, rather than just talk about our political views with people who we agree with, we need to have the evidence at hand to persuade those who aren’t yet convinced. The inevitability of cuts has become a mantra in the mainstream media; it’s a narrative that’s crying out for a rigorous evidence-based rebuttal. And, bizarre though it might seem, there are still a significant number of people ready to defend the Iraq war (quite a few can be found <a href="http://hurryupharry.org/">here</a>), and a much larger number who just don’t think it’s an important political issue any more. Anything that reminds us of the war’s true nature – a foreign policy blunder of epic proportions whose effects are going to be felt for decades to come – deserves attention.</p>
<p>There’s no disputing that being open to arguments and evidence that challenges your beliefs is an important quality. But openness to evidence that supports your point of view matters too. If you ever want to change anyone else’s mind, it’s essential.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Iraq enquiries</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/lets-not-have-an-evidence-based-drugs-policy/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Let&#8217;s Not Have an &#8216;Evidence Based&#8217; Drugs Policy</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/09/on-blair/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">On Blair</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/06/nices-latest-proposal-offers-a-salutory-lesson-for-the-expert-lovers/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">NICE&#8217;s latest proposal offers a salutory lesson for the expert lovers.</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/on-religion-and-public-ethics/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">On Religion and Public Ethics</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/confirmation-blindness/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>5</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Why Reuben is Wrong. About Everything</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/why-reuben-is-wrong-about-everything/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/why-reuben-is-wrong-about-everything/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Democracy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Labour]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Lib Dems]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[politics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[reform]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Reuben]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Socialism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tories]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[war]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3770</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ok, perhaps he&#8217;s not wrong about everything, but Reuben wrote an article yesterday with which I have several significant disagreements. My main problem with his assertions stem from this cringe-worthy little paragraph: In places like Cambridge – where they grabbed a seat last time – they seemed to get the vote of those who treated [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/why-reuben-is-wrong-about-everything/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2010%252F03%252Fwhy-reuben-is-wrong-about-everything%252F%22%2C%20%22shorturl%22%3A%20%22http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fdga9WA%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Why%20Reuben%20is%20Wrong.%20About%20Everything%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p>Ok, perhaps he&#8217;s not wrong about everything, but Reuben wrote an article yesterday with which I have several significant disagreements. My main problem with his assertions stem from this cringe-worthy little paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>In places like Cambridge – where they grabbed a seat last time – they seemed to get the vote of those who treated voting as an exercize [sic] in political self expression, or a parade of their moral conscience, rather than a practical attempt to determine the future. You know, those self indulgent tossers opine, with great moral gravity, “I couldn’t possible vote labour”. With a change of government on the cards – and at a time when politics will really save people of [sic] fuck people – I expect people to really, actually vote for who might form the next government – i.e. Labour or the Tories.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sal-and-Reuben.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-3771" title="Reuben and Salman" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sal-and-Reuben.jpg" alt="" width="223" height="296" /></a>Whilst Reuben is right to say that the Lib Dems, perhaps unfairly, capitalised on an anti-war vote which will be far less pronounced in this election, I believe he is gravely wrong to characterise people who refuse to vote Labour for moral reasons as &#8220;self indulgent tossers&#8221;. Aside from being patronising, he is missing out on the bigger picture. Firstly, if we ever want the political system to change, and for long-term progressive reform to take place, we cannot afford to blindly follow a system which forces us to choose between the lesser of two evils. Politics should not be about who we don&#8217;t want to run the country, but about who we do. It is not, in my view, wrong to vote Labour in all cases. There are some very good Labour MPs and candidates out there who, despite the transgressions of their party, despite the wars, the privatisations and the systematic crackdown on civil liberties, deserve the support of left-wing activists. Nor, in all cases, is tactical voting a bad move. However, by telling people that they must vote Labour simply to keep the Tories out, we blunt a powerful tool for reforming the political system. Moreover, we reinforce the sense of disenfranchisement that is precisely the problem with politics at the moment &#8211; a sense of alientation in which people perceive they have very little choice in who runs the country and that their views are not being represented in a so-called representative democracy &#8211; a disenchantment which, far more than immigration figures and tabloid scare stories about asylum seekers eating our hamsters, has led to the rise of the BNP. As <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/09/an-interview-with-george-monbiot/">George Monbiot</a> told me in an interview with The Third Estate last year: &#8220;As much as I dislike and am disgusted with the Tories, I think you have to vote for what you think is right. And if you cling onto something bad for fear of something worse, no one will end up with the government they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Secondly, Reuben&#8217;s thinking relies on a similar faith to <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/07/an-interview-with-tony-benn/">Tony Benn&#8217;s</a>, that New Labour is a transient thorn that can be plucked if socialists re-join the party and work for change from within. I respect this view, but in translating this to a call to back Labour in an election regardless of circumstance, I think it only exacerbates the problem. New Labour is not a transient thorn. Its intelligent, educated and very middle class architects made a calculated, and very correct, decision that they can afford a sharp swing to the middle ground because whatever they do, their core support of left-wing voters will back them come what may. As long as they believe they can get away with that, New Labour will remain entrenched and the British working class will find nothing more than a few empty platitudes, whilst internationally it will continue to follow a line that is dangerously neo-conservative confident that as long as they remain moderately better than the Tories domestically, their left-wing supporters, who turned up on every demonstration opposing invasions and ID cards, will continue to put their cross in the right box come election time. Yes, you heard it here first folks, the Iraq war was Reuben&#8217;s fault! This is precisely why moral decisions must play a part in deciding who to vote for. This is why cold pragmatism gives everything we have struggled to resist in the last decade an easy ride. It&#8217;s not self-righteous to say I can&#8217;t, in good conscience, vote Labour. It&#8217;s just self-aware. Nor is it a matter of placing my own morality above the good of the many. There are a great many Iraqi orphans who would agree with me. By voting for who I want to run the country, rather than who is most likely to run the country, I am thinking of the bigger picture.</p>
<p>So you see, this is why Reuben is wrong about everything. Also, and this is perhaps the most fundamental point of all, whilst kids up and down the country were running round the playground playing &#8216;It&#8217;, Reuben was playing a game called &#8216;Had.&#8217; I rest my case&#8230;</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/a-couple-of-political-betting-tips-good-odds-on-the-lib-dems-to-get-mauled/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">A couple of political betting tips &#8211; good odds on the Lib Dems to get mauled</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/04/rome-wasn%e2%80%99t-built-in-a-day-why-i%e2%80%99m-voting-yes-to-av/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Rome Wasn’t Built in a Day: Why I’m Voting Yes to AV</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/09/brown-and-out/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Brown and Out</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/05/panic/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Panic!</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/05/why-the-labour-party-should-pass-pr/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Why the Labour Party should pass PR</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/why-reuben-is-wrong-about-everything/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>14</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Tony Blair Must be Charged with War Crimes</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3510</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I will always remember where I was when I heard that Britain and America had invaded Iraq. I was eighteen years old, sitting in the car, on my way to school. And I will always remember how I felt that day. I felt betrayed, disillusioned, disheartened that all the might we had mobilised in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2010%252F01%252Ftony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes%252F%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Tony%20Blair%20Must%20be%20Charged%20with%20War%20Crimes%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tony-blair.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-3511" title="Tony Blair War Criminal" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tony-blair.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="302" /></a>I will always remember where I was when I heard that Britain and America had invaded Iraq. I was eighteen years old, sitting in the car, on my way to school. And I will always remember how I felt that day. I felt betrayed, disillusioned, disheartened that all the might we had mobilised in the months before on the streets of London and all across the country could come to nothing. Most of all, I felt angry. I heard the results of the latest opinion poll, showing that the majority of the country had, as Blair had cockily predicted, swung behind the war when it started, and I felt angry that that brazen liar would get away with it.</p>
<p>Seven years, no weapons of mass destruction and a devastating war later, and still no one has answered for the fiasco. Today was the moment everyone had been waiting for. Tony Blair, by all accounts visibly shaken, sitting before a panel and answering for the lies he spun which took us into a war that has cost the lives of as many as a million Iraqis. Blair, however, is a master manipulator, a used car salesman trading in platitudes, image and his own place in history. I never expected much from the Chilcot Inquiry, despite a strong public campaign demanding tough questions. I could pick the proceedings apart, but the time for analysing past mistakes is over. I have only one demand.</p>
<p>Tony Blair must be charged as a war criminal.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/09/tony-blair-democracy-means-open-markets/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Tony Blair: &#8220;Democracy means open markets&#8221;</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Fool and the Fool Who Followed Him</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/09/on-blair/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">On Blair</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/06/the-last-thing-labour-needs-is-david-miliband/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Last Thing Labour Needs is David Miliband</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/on-religion-and-public-ethics/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">On Religion and Public Ethics</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>3</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Hearsay</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Liz Stephens</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Chilcote Inquiry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Daily Mail]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Saddam Hussein]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sir John Scarlett]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[taxi]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[weapons of mass destruction]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3179</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[“You’ll never guess who I had in the back of my cab the other day…” It was revealed today in The Daily Mail that the claim that Saddam Hussein could unleash weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes came from an Iraqi cab driver. So now we know why they call it ‘the knowledge’… The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2009%252F12%252Fhearsay%252F%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Hearsay%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p>“You’ll never guess who I had in the back of my cab the other day…”</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-3180" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/cab-150x150.jpg" alt="cab" width="150" height="150" />It was revealed today in <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233995/Was-Iraqi-cabbie-source-dodgy-dossier-MPs-report-claims-intelligence-Saddams-WMDs-came-taxi.html">The Daily Mail </a> that the claim that Saddam Hussein could unleash weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes came from an Iraqi cab driver. So now we know why they call it ‘the knowledge’…</p>
<p>The man had apparently overheard two senior Iraqi army officers discussing Saddam’s munitions capability (note: munitions, not weapons) in the back of his cab. He reported it to the British agent he was working for, who reported it to his runner at MI6, who reported it to someone else in MI6 who wrote a report, which was then looked at in detail by the Joint Intelligence Committee members and given to Downing Street (who took it at face value because it suited them to). If this sounds like a case of international Chinese whispers that’s because it was.  The fact that this kind of third party hearsay formed the cornerstone of the September dossier, which informed the decision for this country to go to war with Iraq, is deeply troubling.</p>
<p>What is startling is that this cab driver – and we don’t know whether he was in fact a real cab driver turned informant or a ‘moonlighting’ spy – appears to have been not just the best evidence the intelligence services had, but one of the few lines of intelligence they had. In today’s Iraq Inquiry hearing, Sir John Scarlett, the man with ultimate responsibility for preparing the September dossier, admitted that intelligence from Iraq was limited and difficult to get hold of. I don’t doubt this. However, the danger of relying on only a handful of sources for intelligence is that if one of them is compromised, unreliable or a cab driver with dodgy hearing, a large proportion of your intelligence could be wrong.</p>
<p>I once rented a flat in a part of North East London (if this seems like a facetious and offensive comparison, that’s because it is). I went to view it on a nice sunny day when the neighbours were out and it seemed just perfect. A week after I moved in with my flatmate we discovered that the neighbourhood at night resembled the fall of Saigon, teenage prostitutes roamed the street, people liked to set fire to cars outside and I once came home to find two 13-year-old boys unlocking next door with a crow bar. In hindsight, I needed better intelligence and I certainly wouldn’t have made that move if I’d had it. However, my decision only had ramifications for myself and my flatmate, it didn’t lead to wanton destruction and considerable loss of life. I suppose if you extend the metaphor one could view the letting agency as defence contractors – making money from the misery of others – they certainly had better intelligence than we did.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-3181" style="margin-left: 2px;margin-right: 2px" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/c_tank-150x150.jpg" alt="c_tank" width="150" height="150" />There is always a question hanging over government intelligence when mistakes are made: was it malice or incompetence? One very interesting thing that came out of today’s Inquiry hearing was the definition given by Sir John Scarlett of the role of the intelligence agencies – he made the distinction that intelligence agencies present information but they don’t lay down how to interpret it. That is left to ministers (which is of course a wonderful excuse for the intelligence agencies). During the course of the hearing it transpired that there is and was no system of daily intelligence briefing for the PM, and not even any kind of induction process for ministers. So not only are they left to interpret intelligence, they are often left to interpret it with no training in interpreting intelligence (and sometimes with no intelligence of their own).</p>
<p>However, it turns out the government was not the only member of the Estates to have been left to their own devices. The Daily Mail also said in it’s article today that when the September dossier was published, “some <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139703/Just-45-minutes-attack.html">British papers </a>interpreted the dossier as meaning that British troops based in Cyprus would be vulnerable to an Iraqi attack. At the time the government did not do anything to correct this error.”</p>
<p>Sometimes I think I would almost prefer malice over incompetence in Westminster &#8211; if only for a change.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/02/crispin-black-on-the-binyam-mohamed-torture-judgment-massive-sense-of-perspective-fail/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Crispin Black on the Binyam Mohamed torture judgment: Massive sense of perspective fail</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/04/a-slightly-lazy-easter-special/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">A (slightly lazy) Easter special</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2011/02/david-cameron-straw-man-slayer-extraordinaire/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">David Cameron, straw man slayer extraordinaire</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Iraq enquiries</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Fool and the Fool Who Followed Him</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Iraq enquiries</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Liz Stephens</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3142</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The long-awaited umpteenth inquiry into the war in Iraq got underway last week. This one, we are assured by Sir John Chilcot, will be different, this one will be completely independent &#8211; which is presumably why there is a one-minute delay between what’s said and what’s actually broadcast &#8211; they’re checking for bias towards the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2009%252F12%252Firaq-enquiries%252F%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22Iraq%20enquiries%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-3144" style="margin-left: 2px;margin-right: 2px" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gavel-150x150.jpg" alt="gavel" width="150" height="150" />The long-awaited umpteenth inquiry into the war in Iraq got underway last week. This one, we are assured by Sir John Chilcot, will be different, this one will be completely independent &#8211; which is presumably why there is a one-minute delay between what’s said and what’s actually broadcast &#8211; they’re checking for bias towards the truth.</p>
<p>So bold is the reach of the Inquiry they aren’t even redacting bad language. On the <a href="http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/">Inquiry website</a> (which is really excellent) there is a disclaimer under the video footage that says “Warning! This video contains mild swearing”. As if an Inquiry hearing evidence about atrocious violations of human rights needed a parental advisory sticker.</p>
<p>Each week the Inquiry website helpfully lays out the names of the witnesses<img style="float: right;border: 0px initial initial" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mastermind-chair1.jpg" alt="mastermind-chair1" width="117" height="120" />, times of their evidence and their specialist subjects &#8211; sort of like <em>Mastermind</em>. Next week Sir John Scarlett’s specialist subject is “Intelligence” – I can’t help but notice his is one of the shorter evidence sessions.</p>
<p>Oral and written transcripts are available of some of the evidence sessions. The written evidence carries the following disclaimer:</p>
<blockquote><p>The session transcripts are uncorrected. The final versions will be uploaded in due course.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is unclear whether this ‘correction’ relates to spelling mistakes or policy mistakes. I suppose the whole point of the inquiry is to correct one enormous policy mistake so it must relate to grammar. Although I am rather taken by the idea that someone might go back to the evidence later and write in the margins “What Sir Christopher Meyer <em>meant</em> to say was…”</p>
<p>One of the first to give evidence last week was Sir Jeremy Greenstock, the then-British Ambassador to the UN, who described the Iraq war as “legal but of questionable legitimacy”. Sort of like getting a parking ticket outside a doctors surgery – you know you shouldn’t be parked there but you weren’t planning on being gone very long.</p>
<p>So what exactly is the difference between ‘legal’ and ‘legitimate’? Errr… very little indeed, it’s possibly the most pointless argument of semantics I’ve heard since “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”. I guess in many ways the Iraq war was like a child born out of wedlock in the 1950’s – all the paperwork was in order but that didn’t disguise the fact that one party had disowned the whole project and it was frowned on by society generally. But the repercussions of this mistake will be felt for many years to come and it’s debatable whether this semi-public inquiry will solve anything much – it’s not a truth and reconciliation commission.</p>
<p>There is only one matter of semantics that I would like answering right now &#8211; the difference between an &#8216;enquiry&#8217; and an &#8216;inquiry&#8217;. According to my dictionary, an enquiry is “an act or instance of asking or seeking information”. Why can’t we have one of those?</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/confirmation-blindness/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Confirmation blindness</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Hearsay</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/same-old-story/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Same old story</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Tony Blair Must be Charged with War Crimes</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Fool and the Fool Who Followed Him</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/iraq-enquiries/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Fool and the Fool Who Followed Him</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Chilcote Inquiry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Daily Mail]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mail on Sunday]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tony Blair]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[weapons of mass destruction]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=3118</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this month, Reuben wrote an article examining the media&#8217;s newfound war-weariness and how, owing to the fact that almost every major newspaper backed the invasion of Afghanistan, it can only express itself in impotent calls for better equipment. Now of course, the Iraq war was much more divisive. Many journalists were critical of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2009%252F11%252Fthe-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him%252F%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22The%20Fool%20and%20the%20Fool%20Who%20Followed%20Him%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><img class="alignright" title="Tony Bliar" src="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/28/article-1231746-004E57DF00000258-169_233x423.jpg" alt="" width="134" height="243" />Earlier this month, <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/a-war-weariness-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/">Reuben </a>wrote an article examining the media&#8217;s newfound war-weariness and how, owing to the fact that almost every major newspaper backed the invasion of Afghanistan, it can only express itself in impotent calls for better equipment.</p>
<p>Now of course, the Iraq war was much more divisive. Many journalists were critical of the plans to invade Iraq from day one and some left-leaning newspapers even actively threw themselves behind the anti-war movement. Needless to say, the Mail was not one of these papers. Pick any good cause, and you can guarantee it&#8217;ll be cheering for the other side. Which &#8211; six years on, zero weapons of mass destruction found, a million Iraqis dead and billions of pounds blown &#8211; puts the Mail and the other right-wing papers in a rather difficult position. How to criticise the war now without admitting to their own mistake in backing it?</p>
<p>The Chilcote Inquiry provides the perfect opportunity. As more and more evidence comes to light showing what the anti-war movement knew all along &#8211; the war was never about weapons of mass destruction or humanitarian intervention, it was about regime change and had been planned a year in advance &#8211; the hitherto pro-war media can plead ignorance. Not only this, but since the right-wing tabloids are swinging towards the Conservatives for the coming election, it provides them a handy (and wholly deserved) stick with which to beat a crippled Labour government.</p>
<p>Of all the papers, the Mail, more than any other, is going down the &#8216;we were lied to&#8217; route. Today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231746/Secret-letter-reveal-new-Blair-war-lies.html">Mail on Sunday</a> wrings its hands with glee at Lord Goldsmith&#8217;s secret letter revealing Blair&#8217;s deception.&#8221;The disclosures deal a massive blow to Mr Blair&#8217;s hopes of proving he acted in good faith when he and George Bush declared war on Iraq. And they are likely to fuel further calls for Mr Blair to be charged with war crimes,&#8221; writes political editor, Simon Walters.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re right, of course, we were lied to, and Blair should be charged with war crimes. But as Obi Wan Kenobi once said: &#8216;Who&#8217;s more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?&#8217;</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/tony-blair-must-be-charged-with-war-crimes/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Tony Blair Must be Charged with War Crimes</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/12/hearsay/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Hearsay</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/03/grieving-mothers-the-lack-of-equipment-and-all-the-associated-bollocks/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Grieving mothers, the &#8220;lack of equipment&#8221;, and all the associated bollocks</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/07/iraq-and-afghanistan/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Iraq and Afghanistan</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/11/daily-mail-lies-are-asian-gangs-targeting-white-girls/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Daily Mail Lies: Are Asian gangs targeting white girls?</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/11/the-fool-and-the-fool-who-followed-him/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>An Interview with George Galloway</title>
		<link>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/an-interview-with-george-galloway/</link>
		<comments>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/an-interview-with-george-galloway/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Salman Shaheen</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Afghanistan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Anti-War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Class]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Democracy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Elections]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Green Party]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Interviews]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iran]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Islamophobia]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Israel/Palestine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Labour]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Protest]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Respect]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Socialism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Terrorism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tories]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Venezuela]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ahmedinejad]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Blair]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Brian Haw]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Chavez]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fundamentalism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[George Galloway]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[interview]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Palestine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[parliament]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Portcullis House]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Salma Yaqoob]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Socialist Workers Party]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[SWP]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thethirdestate.net/?p=2474</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Walking through security at Portcullis House, the fabulously expensive building standing adjacent to the Houses of Parliament, is a bit like going through any airport anywhere in the world. But making your way through the spacious courtyard, past green trees and sun-dappled water features under the enormous sparkling glass dome towering overhead, you could be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 0px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="box_count" share_url="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/an-interview-with-george-galloway/"></a></div>
<div class="topsy_widget_data topsy_theme_blue" style="float: right;margin-left: 0.75em; background: url(data:,%7B%20%22url%22%3A%20%22http%253A%252F%252Fthethirdestate.net%252F2009%252F10%252Fan-interview-with-george-galloway%252F%22%2C%20%22style%22%3A%20%22big%22%2C%20%22title%22%3A%20%22An%20Interview%20with%20George%20Galloway%22%20%7D);"></div>
<p><img class="size-medium wp-image-2503 alignright" title="galloway460x276" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/galloway460x276-300x180.jpg" alt="galloway460x276" width="256" height="153" />Walking through security at Portcullis House, the fabulously expensive building standing adjacent to the Houses of Parliament, is a bit like going through any airport anywhere in the world. But making your way through the spacious courtyard, past green trees and sun-dappled water features under the enormous sparkling glass dome towering overhead, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is still the seat of power of a great empire. The man I’m here to see, however, is one of the country’s most vocal critics of imperialism. George Galloway rises from his computer to shake my hand as I enter his office. “It’s a pleasure to meet you,” he says. I remind him we met once before when he came to destroy a pro-war American politician at the Cambridge Union many years ago. “You’re far too young to say that,” he laughs.</p>
<p>Born in 1954, Galloway joined the Labour Party at the tender age of thirteen and has been a Member of Parliament since 1987. His strident opposition to the Iraq war, describing Bush and Blair as wolves and calling on British troops to disobey orders, led to his expulsion from the party in 2003. “His comments were disgraceful and wrong,” Tony Blair said. But Galloway has never been one to lie down in the face of his enemies. The following year he formed a new left-wing anti-war party, <a href="http://www.therespectparty.net/">Respect</a>, and in a stunning victory overturned a Labour majority of over 10,000 to oust Blairite Oona King in Bethnal Green and Bow. Since then, however, Respect has suffered a disastrous split, whilst Galloway has found himself having to fend off a barrage of media criticism for his famous decision to appear on Celebrity Big Brother in 2006. With a general election just months away, I ask George Galloway what he thinks his chances are of holding his seat.</p>
<p>“Well I’m not standing again in Bethnal Green and Bow,” he tells me. “Because I promised last time that I’d stand only once and if the people elected me, the next MP for the constituency would be a Bengali.” It’s a straight fight between Labour and Respect in Bethnal Green and Bow, Galloway explains, and with both parties selecting a Bengali candidate, his promise looks set to be kept. “For the first time, the Bengali community will have a member in the House of Commons and that’s something I’m particularly proud of.” Galloway has instead chosen to stand in the neighbouring Tower Hamlets constituency of Poplar and Limehouse. “We have a fighting chance of winning both seats,” he says. Galloway also believes Respect has a chance of breaking through in Birmingham – where the party came a close second in 2005 – and of Salma Yaqoob becoming the first ever Muslim woman MP. “If we could pull those three off, I could retire a happy man four years later.” <img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2479" title="Portcullis House" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/450px-Portcullis_house_artium-300x247.jpg" alt="Portcullis House" width="257" height="211" /> Respect was founded in 2004 as a coalition seeking to bring together the disparate strands of perhaps the greatest mass movement in modern political history. In practice, what emerged was an alliance between George Galloway, a few prominent anti-war activists and the Socialist Workers Party. In 2007, for absolutely no reason that seems at all relevant, the party split in half and the SWP walked out. I ask Galloway if the split has harmed Respect’s chances of achieving the breakthrough he hopes for. “I don’t know if it’s damaged our electability. Certainly not if we do win three seats. Even having one seat in 2005 was almost unprecedented. It had been 60 years since a left of Labour party last won a seat in Parliament in 1945. And in the same constituency by the way.” Galloway has to admit, however, that the split has definitely affected the party’s power outside of Parliament. “The departure of key activists and leaders has weakened us. About half the members left.” I ask Galloway how many members Respect still has. “I don’t have the exact figure,” he says. “It’s a small number of thousands.”</p>
<p>In an interview with The Third Estate in June, <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/06/an-interview-with-mark-steel/">Mark Steel</a> told me that the feud in Respect was about nothing that anyone can work out. It has often seemed to me that whilst the left sits on the steps of the amphitheatre shouting splitters at each other and arguing about what society should look like after the revolution, it is failing to speak to ordinary people about the everyday issues that affect their lives. I ask Galloway how he would explain the split to voters who care about social justice and jobs and housing, but have little interest in sectarian squabbling. “With respect to you, and I don’t mean at all to be offensive, I wouldn’t care to explain it to anyone,” Galloway says. “I think that the arcane disputatious nature of the far-left in Britain is of interest only to the cognoscente and the cognoscente already know the reasons.” Galloway pauses as his phone rings. Sorting out a quick bit of business in ten seconds, he apologises before continuing. “For the rest of the public, Respect was always me, Salma Yaqoob, Ken Loach and so on, and it still is. So we’d rather go forward than look back.”</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Respect" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Respect_%E2%80%93_The_Unity_Coalition_logo.jpg" alt="" width="552" height="84" /></p>
<p>Respect, of course, will not be standing in every constituency at the next general election. “There are 649 seats, that’s beyond any small party of the left. We will be standing in more seats than just those three, but they’re the target seats.” In the constituencies where Respect is not standing, Galloway explains that they will back other progressive candidates. “Brighton, for example, where <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/09/an-interview-with-caroline-lucas/">Caroline Lucas</a> is standing for the Green Party and has a real chance of winning. I expect that we would support her, we haven’t made final decisions on these constituencies yet. Similarly <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/05/an-inteview-with-peter-tatchell/">Peter Tatchell</a> is standing in Oxford, we would probably support him. There may be one or two other places where we would support a left, anti-war candidate.” I ask Galloway – who has branded the three main parties as &#8220;Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee and a half” – whether he would call for a vote for Labour to keep the Conservatives out, and am genuinely surprised by the firebrand MP’s response. “We definitely want the Tories to be defeated, so for the most part that would mean that we ask people to vote Labour.” It was understandable that Respect backed Ken Livingstone against Boris Johnson in last year’s election for London Mayor. But would Respect really ask people to vote for an arch New Labourite who voted for the war? “Most of them are arch New Labourites who backed the war, so we wouldn’t be able to have that as a hard and fast rule. It’s unlikely that the worst of the war criminals would attract our support, but we wouldn’t be able to use who voted for the war entirely as a yardstick.”</p>
<p>It’s surprising to hear Galloway say this – not least because he is Vice President of Stop the War Coalition and perhaps the most outspoken critic of New Labour’s neo-conservative foreign policy in the country – but because in June he called for an immediate election, arguing that the current Parliament is “utterly bereft of credibility.” I ask him if it’s possible that a Labour defeat at the next election could help bring back the party he once called home. “No, I don’t,” he says. “In any case, it would be too high a price to pay. The Tories will be a catastrophe for ordinary people in Britain, for the working people, the poor, the old, the sick, the disabled. So I want to see them defeated.” Galloway has to concede, however, that that’s not very likely. “Looking at the opinion polls, reading the runes, it would appear that the Tories are on course for a big victory. And if that happens, then we’ll have to see what happens to the Labour Party that I spent almost forty years in.”</p>
<p>Labour’s abandonment of the left goes part of the way towards explaining the success of Respect. But it is Blair’s utter betrayal of British Muslims, incensed by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which explains why so many Labour voters in East London and Birmingham have turned to Respect. Not least because of Galloway’s standing amongst Muslims. When housemates on Celebrity Big Brother were asked to rank themselves in order of fame, he mused: “If we&#8217;re talking worldwide fame, I&#8217;m most famous. Virtually every Muslim in the world knows who I am.” Whether or not that’s true, George Galloway has done perhaps more than anyone else in the country to help politicise marginalised Muslim communities, introducing to them left-wing politics as an answer to racism, Islamophobia, imperialism and neo-conservatism. But there’s another, more reactionary, current amongst Muslim communities that seeks to present itself as the sole representative of Islamic identity. I ask Galloway if Respect could do more to challenge religious fundamentalism and social conservativism amongst the communities it represents? “No,” he says, “I think the first part of our agenda is big enough. The question of social conservatism within Muslim communities is a matter for them largely.”</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2484" title="George Galloway meets Saddam Hussein" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/George-Galloway_Saddam-Hussein-300x207.jpg" alt="George Galloway meets Saddam Hussein" width="300" height="207" /></p>
<p>It’s a contentious point, and one that many on the liberal left will disagree with, but Galloway has never been afraid of courting controversy. In 1994, he flew to Iraq to meet Saddam Hussein in an effort to prevent war and end the sanctions which were bringing further immiseration to the Iraqi people, saluting their courage, their strength and their indefatigability. More recently he has spoken out in <a href="http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/georgegalloway/2009/06/you-can-count-on-the-fact-elec.html#more">support of Ahmedinejad</a> in Iran following the disputed elections, attacking the protesters as class enemies and drawing a comparison with opposition to Chavez’s reforms in Venezuela. But despite the similarity in their anti-imperialist rhetoric, is it really fair to compare the ultra-conservative, fundamentalist Ahmedinejad with the democratic socialist Chavez? “I’m not sure that Chavez would describe himself as a democratic socialist,” Galloway says. “But I do think the comparisons between them are stark. Not just in their international rhetoric, though that is a very significant thing for me, but in terms of their social base. The social base of Ahmedinejad is the poor masses; the enemies of Ahmedinejad are the English speaking, highly-educated, well-off elite. I’ve been several times to Venezuela, and that’s exactly the polarisation that exists there.”</p>
<p>Galloway concedes that Ahmedinejad is not a socialist, whilst Chavez is. But both, he argues, are populists. “I do think you can measure a man by his enemies, and both have the same enemies. My main interest in Iran is that is should remain an independent country and not a puppet of the West like virtually all of the Muslim countries already are, and to that extent I’m glad that Ahmedinejad won over Moussavi who, whether he liked it or not, was riding a wave of people who wished to see the return of the Pahlavi dynasty and who wished to see Iran as an outcrop of the United States. And I’m sure that he did win.”</p>
<p>It’s an uncomfortable prospect, that the left must lend its tacit support to tyrants opposed to Western imperialism, and even though Galloway has described Ahmadinejad’s denial of the Holocaust as “a disgrace”, I ask him, if the enemy of my enemy must always be my friend? “No,” he says. “That’s why I could never line up behind the dictatorship in Burma. It’s anti-American, but I could never say that that enemy of my enemy is my friend.”</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter" title="George Galloway MP" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/banner.jpg" alt="George Galloway MP" width="256" height="195" /></p>
<p>Nevertheless, Galloway tells me that Ahmedinejad is the president of an important country and we’ll just have to accept it. “Iran is much more important than the sort of knuckle-dragging ignoramuses in the British media have realised. Its geo-political position is strategically significant, it has a very young population, it has an ocean of oil and gas and soon will have a nuclear power industry, famously as we know.” It is for these reasons that Galloway argues Iran must be treated with more respect. “Ahmedinejad is the president, that’s why he was speaking at the United Nations a fortnight ago, there’s no point in second guessing other people’s choice of their leaders. I believe strongly that every people have the right to choose their own leaders and not have them chosen by their adversaries.”</p>
<p>It’s a position to which Galloway has remained consistent throughout his opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But with violence surging in Afghanistan, what is the answer to the country’s problems now? “The opposite of what we’re currently doing,” he says. “The war is doomed, it cannot be won. No one has successfully occupied Afghanistan, not even Alexander the Great, and Bob Ainsworth definitely isn’t Alexander the Great. No matter how many soldiers they pour in there, they’ll never pour as many in as the former Soviet Union did. That occupation failed as this one is bound to.” Galloway believes that a negotiated withdrawal is inevitable. “It’s better that that starts now rather than later. Many more people will be alive, the radicalisation of the Muslim world, which is a real danger, will be lessened, we’ll be able to spend the money we’re burning in Afghanistan on our own people at home, and we’ll begin to defuse the tensions that exist in our own country between Muslims and non-Muslims.”</p>
<p>But withdrawal brings with it its own dangers, not least the possibility of the Taliban returning to power. I ask Galloway what he thinks will happen to Afghanistan? “The first thing I need to say, and it’s a contentious point, is that it’s none of our business what happens. British people, after several hundred years of empire, have become used to the idea that we have some right, maybe even some duty, to determine what happens in other people’s countries. I never believed that and I certainly don’t believe it now when we’re an almost bankrupt set of islands off the coast of mainland Europe. The days when the building you’re currently in ruled a quarter of all the world’s population are gone. Hallelujah!”</p>
<p>That’s not to say that Galloway is unconcerned with the future of Afghanistan. “I have interests in that country as a British citizen and they are this: that it must not be a base for those who wish to harm me, us, our country and our legitimate interests.” However, he believes that it is important to separate the pan-Islamist al Qaeda from “Johnny Afghan who just wants foreigners out of his country.” These, he argues, were never the same thing. “Insofar as there’s an al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan, it was we who sent it there, paid for it, armed it, glorified it, paraded it at the Tory conference and at Ronald Reagan’s Republican national convention, called them Mujahedeen and all that you know. To punish the Afghans for al Qaeda when we sent it there, is double jeopardy.” Instead Galloway wants to see a negotiated outcome with the Afghan forces to ensure that the country is not used as a base to harm Britain and its legitimate interests. “I can’t guarantee that Afghanistan will be a lovely place if the foreign armies withdraw, but I can guarantee it will never be a lovely place if they don’t.”</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Palestine" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Flag_of_Palestine.svg/800px-Flag_of_Palestine.svg.png" alt="" width="256" height="107" /></p>
<p>There are many far-from-lovely places in the world that Galloway is concerned about, but perhaps none more so than Palestine. He recently returned from a convoy to break the Israeli siege of Gaza, the occupied territory which would form part of any future Palestinian state. But, I ask him, is a two-state solution really the best way to achieve justice for the Palestinian people? “I’m pleased that Hamas and Fatah have signed a unity agreement,” he says. “I hope it works. The division within the Palestinian ranks has been catastrophic for them and for those of us who support them from the outside, as I have been doing now for almost 35 years of my life. As to what the final outcome is, this is really a matter for them.” Galloway says that if the Palestinians decide on a two-state solution then he, as a supporter of their cause, must accept that. “My own personal view, however, is that Palestine is too small, the issue of the refugees too great, the topographic and demographic cleansing that has occurred has been too extensive. The building of the wall, the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem, the building of the settlements, which are really cities, have all been too extensive to make the separation of this small piece of land into two viable states realistic.”</p>
<p>Galloway is keen to point out that he does not support sectarian countries. “When Mandela was asked by the Boers at the end of Apartheid if they could have the Orange Free State as a white state, he said that he didn’t believe in white states or black states, only democratic states. One man, one woman, one vote, one government and everyone equal under the law. And if I believe that in South Africa, why should I change it for Palestine?” Instead he would like to see a democratic state, where everyone is equal, where all the existing inhabitants have the right to live, and all the people who were driven from the land have the right to return. “One state between the river and the sea is by far the best solution.”</p>
<p>In the meantime, Galloway believes that the convoys he is leading to Gaza to bring aid to the Palestinian people are crucial acts of defiance and solidarity. “I’m leading another one on the 6th of December to arrive on the 27th, which is the anniversary of the war. I think that these attempts to break the blockade are the most urgent priority for solidarity organisations around the world. We can march here, and protest here, and hold public meetings, but they make little difference.”</p>
<p>Somehow I didn’t expect George Galloway – the firebrand activist and unremitting radical who has always spoken his mind even when his opponents don’t like what’s on it – to say any different. His has always been one of the loudest voices for change and he has never lacked the courage of his convictions. I thank him for his time and make my way back through the courtyard and the green trees and sun-dappled water features under the enormous sparkling glass dome: the seat of power of an almost bankrupt set of islands off the coast of mainland Europe. On my way home, I pass Brian Haw, whose protest, like Galloway’s, will continue unabated till the people in power take notice.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.georgegalloway.com/">http://www.georgegalloway.com/</a></p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/05/an-inteview-with-peter-tatchell/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">An Interview with Peter Tatchell</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/06/an-interview-with-mark-steel/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">An Interview with Mark Steel</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/01/orwell-that-ends-well/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Orwell That Ends Well</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2010/05/dont-panic/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Don&#8217;t Panic!</a></li><li><a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2012/01/labour-and-the-lib-dems-have-nothing-to-gain-from-the-scottish-independence-referendum/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Labour and the Lib Dems have nothing to gain from the Scottish independence referendum</a></li></ul></div>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://thethirdestate.net/2009/10/an-interview-with-george-galloway/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>29</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

