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		<title>Competition to find the pub with the best smoking area</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Reuben</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The anti-smoking ban campaign group, Save our Pubs and Clubs are holding a competition to find the pub with the best smoking area. I can think of a few, but the ones I like best are, I believe, a little in breach of the law so perhaps, in their interests I will hold my peace. [...]]]></description>
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<p>The anti-smoking ban campaign group, <em>Save our Pubs and Clubs</em> are <a href="http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=1030eb36d388dac8b85eb0ab8&#038;id=fbd6faa337">holding a competition</a> to find the pub with the best smoking area. I can think of a few, but the ones I like best are, I believe, a little in breach of the law so perhaps, in their interests I will hold my peace.</p>
<p>Pubs that have managed to carry on creating a hospitable environment for smokers are, in a certain sense, accomodating to the ban, but they are also resisting it. This is because the ban was not really about passive smoking but, rather about making smoking a more uncomfortable experience so as to push people into stopping. </p>
<p>One thing you will find these days is that politicians of all stripes will profess their desire to support pubs. Doing so is good politics. It&#8217;s a nod to British tradition, and to (understandable) nostalgia for a more communitarian epoch. But we are entitled to ask what kinds of pubs they wish to support. Judged by their policy, the political class seem to approve of pubs only insofar as they don&#8217;t let anyone smoke, don&#8217;t get too noisy and don&#8217;t encourage too much drinking. In other words, pubs transmogrified into beer serving starbucks outlets are what they are willing to support. And this is hardly the kind of environnent that will induce people to pay a premium over the prices in ASDA &#8211; and so its no surprise that for all the verbal publoving from our politicians, the industry is still <a href="http://www.beerexpert.co.uk/decline-british-pubs.html">in decline</a>.  If we want to save our pubs and clubs then we cannot simulltaneously dragoon them into being part of the public health set up.</p>
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		<title>If you want quiet by 10pm on a Friday, don&#8217;t live next to a pub!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Bard-Rosenberg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last Friday I enjoyed a drink with some friends at the Southampton Arms. Upon arrival we had immediately headed outside, partly because the pub was extremely crowded, and partly because, like many other people, we still enjoy a drink amd a smoke. Suddenly just as the clock struck 10 several staff appeared in the beer [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last Friday I  enjoyed a drink with some friends at the Southampton Arms. Upon arrival we had immediately headed outside, partly because the pub was extremely crowded, and partly because, like many other people, we still enjoy a drink amd a smoke. Suddenly just as the clock struck 10 several staff appeared in the beer garden and very quickly ushered everybody inside &#8211; since 10 pm was when the beer garden had to close. Nowadays this is a very common part of the pub going experience. Usually a few people living near a pub will complain about the noise, and the council will respond by imposing what often seem to be OTT restrictions as part of the pub&#8217;s licence.</p>
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<p>Of course, nobody would suggest that pubs be given free reign, and that the feelings of residents be given no weight. Yet, considering that pub-going is such an important and popular part of our communal culture, there needs to be some give and take (indeed the smoking drinker who is inconvenienced most by such restrictions has been forced to do rather a lot pf giving of late). The question on my mind last week was why somebody would live next to a pub if they wanted quiet by 10pm on a Friday. Granted, people are limited by their circumstances, but the pub is question was on Highgate Road in Gospel Oak, right near the Heath. In other words, local residents probably enjoy the means to exercise quite a degree of autonomy about where they live. Indeed, pubs generally are concentrated in more central locations where housing is at a premium. Surely we can expect people to move into them on the understanding that they may be kept up a little past 10 on a Friday or Saturday.</p>
<p>It is in fact not only concerns about noise that govern pubs outdoor spaces, but also the contemporary moral panic about people DRINKING on The STREET. In Camden Town &#8211; hardly the place where one would expect a quiet life &#8211; almost all pubs appear compelled to operate a no drinks outside rule. When combined with a &#8220;no smoking inside&#8221; rule, this can be a pain. Yet as somebody who is not overly cautious I am generally willing to leave my drink inside and watch it through the window if need be. Yet some of my female friends are understandably far more cautious about having to leave their drink unattended if they want a smoke &#8211; for them it can be far more than a minor annoyance.</p>
<p>Women are arguably made more vulnerable by a system of no drinks outside, no smokes inside. Yet my focus here isn&#8217;t purely on the worst possible outcome of these rules. The point is that women already face pressure not to go out and throw caution to the wind in the way that men are easily able to. Many already find themselves starting the evening by planning how they will get home for reasons men don&#8217;t have to think about. As such our night culture should be designed to make it easy for women especially do to as they wish, regardless of the threats they may face. And the current rules, I am afraid, do the opposite</p>
<p>With pubs still closing at an alarming rate politicians of all stripes pay lip service to the idea of supporting our pub culture. Yet they refuse to ever give the interests of pubs and their customers any priority over other concerns &#8211; whether it is the desire amongst some for quiet by 10pm on a Friday, or the amorphous and extensive concept of public order, or, in the case of the blanket smoking ban, public health. If our pub culture is going to be saved and supported, then public houses must be given some more leeway to operate in the way that we, pub going public, want them to.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Bard-Rosenberg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With 40 pubs shutting down every week, the continued news of pub closures fills 99% of me with sadness, and 1% of me with an almost unbearable smugness. I am sad not simply because I enjoy going to the pub, but because as I explained in a previous post, pubs are a social and communal [...]]]></description>
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<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-479" title="reubendrink" src="http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/reubendrink-222x300.jpg" alt="reubendrink" width="191" height="247" />With 40 pubs shutting down every week, the continued news of pub closures fills 99% of me with sadness, and 1% of me with an almost unbearable smugness. I am sad not simply because I enjoy going to the pub, but because as I explained in a previous post, pubs are a <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/04/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-the-decline-of-pubs/">social and communal good</a>. In our crowded cities, north European climate, and inhospitable and <a href="http://thethirdestate.net/2009/06/its-time-to-reclaim-the-streets/">over-regulated</a> streets, pubs represent a crucial source of public space. Why a tiny part of me is unbearably smug will become clear.</p>
<p>When the idea of a smoking ban was first broached I had yet to become addicted to the fine pleasure of tobacco, but nonetheless I was opposed to its implementation on grounds of civil liberties. Yet &#8211; as is becoming increasingly clear &#8211; I could just as easily have opposed it on the grounds of self-interest. Whenever the ban was discussed many people asserted  their right to go to the pub of their choice without sitting in a smokey environment if they do not wish.  In this post-fordist age, consumption is &#8211; more than ever &#8211; constructed as an individual act. People are no longer content with a black model-T. They want a car that is just right for them.  By the same token if people go to the pub it is their right not to have their experience contaminated by somebody else&#8217;s unwanted habits.</p>
<p>Yet the thing is that going to the pub is, by its nature, an enormously collective form of consumption. Here in London you will pay about three times as much in the pub for your beer as you would in a supermarket. Now there are various reasons for that, but one of them is that you are paying  &#8211; not unreasonably &#8211; to sit in a well maintained space smack-bang in the middle of where lots of cool shit is going on.  Now obviously  nobody could shoulder this burden alone. Instead pubs rely on lots of people effectively paying for that collective space to be maintained. Whether you like it or not, when you choose to enjoy a pub you are enterring into a relationship with other people using it.</p>
<p>And when you enter into a relationship with people you have to compromise. You might have to listen to loud music which you do not like but other people do. By the same time you cannot expect the environment to be smokeless just because you feel like drinking in pub x and want to drink in pub x without encountering any smoke. Non-smokers , concieving of their pub outings to be purely individual forms of consumption felt justified in relying on the law to ensure that their pub outings were exactly as they wished. Perhaps when their local shuts down &#8211; and pub-shutdowns increased by approximately 100% after the smoking ban &#8211; they will be pushed to conceive of pubs and pub-drinking differently.</p>
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